From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mga09.intel.com (mga09.intel.com [134.134.136.24]) by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED104E00722 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orsmga001.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.18]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2013 12:56:23 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,1038,1363158000"; d="scan'208";a="343547389" Received: from unknown (HELO [10.255.13.73]) ([10.255.13.73]) by orsmga001.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2013 12:58:27 -0700 Message-ID: <51DDBCE3.6000502@linux.intel.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:58:27 -0700 From: Saul Wold User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130514 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ChenQi References: <9915990f3fb2466fb2146394f65154e21b35890d.1373438138.git.Qi.Chen@windriver.com> <5822283.x6sXiXjJIc@helios> <51DD2574.7060608@windriver.com> <1373477607.3028.45.camel@envy.home> In-Reply-To: <1373477607.3028.45.camel@envy.home> Cc: qingtao.cao@windriver.com, Paul Eggleton , Darren Hart , poky@yoctoproject.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] poky-tiny.conf: add extra libc features X-BeenThere: poky@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Poky build system developer discussion & patch submission for meta-yocto List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:58:55 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 07/10/2013 10:33 AM, Darren Hart wrote: > On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 17:12 +0800, ChenQi wrote: >> On 07/10/2013 04:30 PM, Paul Eggleton wrote: >>> Hi Qi / Darren, >>> >>> On Wednesday 10 July 2013 14:37:12 Qi.Chen@windriver.com wrote: >>>> From: Chen Qi >>>> >>>> Add two extra libc features, libc-spawn and libc-rcmd, as they are >>>> needed to successfully compile the shadow package which is needed >>>> if we set USER_GROUP_SETTIGNS in some configuration file. >>>> >>>> [YOCTO #4074] >>>> >>>> Signed-off-by: Chen Qi > > I maintain poky-tiny, please Cc me on patches: > > Cc: Darren Hart > >>>> --- >>>> meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf | 2 +- >>>> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) >>>> >>>> diff --git a/meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf >>>> b/meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf index 755667f..9d9ea3c 100644 >>>> --- a/meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf >>>> +++ b/meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf >>>> @@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ ASSUME_PROVIDED += "pkgconfig$" >>>> >>>> # Reconfigure eglibc for a smaller installation >>>> # Comment out any of the lines below to disable them in the build >>>> -DISTRO_FEATURES_LIBC_TINY = "libc-libm libc-crypt" >>>> +DISTRO_FEATURES_LIBC_TINY = "libc-libm libc-crypt libc-spawn libc-rcmd" >>>> DISTRO_FEATURES_LIBC_TINY_append_x86-64 = " libc-libm-big" >>>> >>>> # Required for "who" >>> Is this really appropriate for poky-tiny? It seems to me it might be >>> orthogonal to the point of poky-tiny which is to be pretty much as light as >>> possible. >>> > > All such changes should include size delta... > >>> Cheers, >>> Paul >>> >> I added these two extra libc features because I wanted >> USER_GROUP_SETTINGS to have effect for poky-tiny. >> >> For now, because of lack of libc features, adding packages to poky-tiny >> is likely to fail. >> So the question here is, are we deciding that poky-tiny equals to >> 'limited-featured libc + tiny init + busybox"? If so, maybe we need to a >> mechanism to warn user when they try to add packages to poky-tiny. > > poky-tiny is meant to be a starting point, typically the approach is to > create your own distro either derived from or copied and modified from > poky-tiny. poky-tiny should remain a bare minimum, in fact, it should > probably be made smaller, not larger. > >> >> Besides, removing the libc features doesn't seem to have significant >> effects on the size of the image. >> >> chenqi@pek-qchen1-d1:~/poky$ ls -lh >> build-tiny/tmp/work/qemux86-poky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0-r0/rootfs/lib/libc-2.17.so >> >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 chenqi chenqi 1.1M Jul 10 13:49 >> build-tiny/tmp/work/qemux86-poky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0-r0/rootfs/lib/libc-2.17.so >> chenqi@pek-qchen1-d1:~/poky$ ls -lh >> build/tmp/work/qemux86-poky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0-r0/rootfs/lib/libc-2.17.so >> >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 chenqi chenqi 1.5M Jul 3 11:23 >> build/tmp/work/qemux86-poky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0-r0/rootfs/lib/libc-2.17.so >> > > Am I reading that right? 400k? That's *very* significant when we're > building sub 5MB images (including the kernel). > > Please use "size" instead of "ls -lh" to get a more accurate > representation of the space usage. From my Fedora laptop by way of > example: > > $ size libc-2.17.so > text data bss dec hex filename > 1788428 20840 18944 1828212 1be574 libc-2.17.so > I am going to NAK this change regardless of the size, I don't think this is the right direction. Sau! > > Thanks, >