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From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
To: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Cc: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH RFC 4/4] xen-block: introduce a new request type to unmap grants
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:12:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DFD67E.6000507@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51DED3B6.9090601@citrix.com>

On 11/07/13 16:48, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> On 11/07/13 17:26, David Vrabel wrote:
>> On 11/07/13 16:12, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
>>> On 11/07/13 15:48, David Vrabel wrote:
>>>> It also seems odd to have the backend decide how much frontend resource
>>>> can be consumed at anyone time.  It's not clear how the backend is
>>>> supposed to know how many persistent grants it should hang on to.
>>>
>>> blkfront has to at least persistently map the same grants as the
>>> backend. blkfront could persistently map all grants, but then we will
>>> have grant shortage, and I doubt there's much performance gain from
>>> persistently mapping grants in blkfront but not blkback (since the
>>> biggest performance penalty comes from the unmapping done in blkback and
>>> TLB flush involved).
>>
>> I'm saying that the frontend needs to be able to set a cap on the number
>> of persistent grants kept by the backend.  If other demands on a
>> domain's grant table resource means it can only spare G grants for a
>> particular frontend it needs to be able to ensure this (with the
>> cooperation of the backend).
> 
> We could easily negotiate the maximum number of persistent grants with
> the backend using a xenstore node, but how is blkfront going to decide
> how many persistent grants it wants to use? Should we coordinate this
> somehow with all the users of the grant table?
> 
> Doing it in the backend doesn't seem to me like a really bad approach,
> the admin of the host should know the maximum number of disks/nics a
> guest can have, and thus set the maximum number of persistent grants
> appropriately (and also tune gnttab_max_nr_frames if needed).

That sounds reasonable.  The host admin doesn't necessarily know how
many grant entries the guest might use for inter-domain communication
but they can certainly allow for a reasonable of spare entries for this.

David

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-12 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-08 13:03 [PATCH RFC 0/4] xen-block: prevent blkfront for hoarding grants Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-08 13:03 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] xen-gnt: prevent adding duplicate gnt callbacks Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-08 13:03   ` Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-11 13:17   ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2013-07-11 16:23     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 16:23     ` [Xen-devel] " Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 13:17   ` David Vrabel
2013-07-08 13:03 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] xen-blkfront: improve aproximation of required grants per request Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-11 13:20   ` David Vrabel
2013-07-11 13:20   ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2013-07-11 14:47     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 14:47     ` [Xen-devel] " Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-08 13:03 ` Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-08 13:03 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] xen-blkfront: prevent hoarding all grants Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-11 13:32   ` David Vrabel
2013-07-11 13:32   ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2013-07-11 14:57     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 14:57     ` [Xen-devel] " Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-08 13:03 ` Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-08 13:03 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] xen-block: introduce a new request type to unmap grants Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-08 19:41   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-09 13:22     ` Wei Liu
2013-07-09 13:22     ` [Xen-devel] " Wei Liu
2013-07-09 16:37     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-09 16:37     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-09 18:32       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-09 18:32       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-09 18:38         ` Wei Liu
2013-07-09 18:38         ` [Xen-devel] " Wei Liu
2013-07-10  9:19     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-10  9:19     ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-10 13:54       ` [Xen-devel] " Egger, Christoph
2013-07-10 14:46         ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-10 14:46         ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-10 13:54       ` Egger, Christoph
2013-07-10 14:52       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-10 14:52       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-11 13:48       ` David Vrabel
2013-07-11 13:48       ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2013-07-11 15:12         ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 15:12           ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 15:26           ` David Vrabel
2013-07-11 15:26           ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2013-07-11 15:48             ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-11 15:48             ` [Xen-devel] " Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-12 10:12               ` David Vrabel [this message]
2013-07-12 10:12               ` David Vrabel
2013-07-08 19:41   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-08 13:03 ` Roger Pau Monne
2013-07-11 13:35 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] xen-block: prevent blkfront for hoarding grants David Vrabel
2013-07-11 13:35 ` David Vrabel
2013-07-31  9:50 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-31  9:50 ` [Xen-devel] " Roger Pau Monné
2013-07-31 11:27   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-31 11:27   ` [Xen-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk

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