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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Eli Friedman <eli.friedman@gmail.com>,
	Jim Grosbach <grosbach@apple.com>,
	Stephen Checkoway <s@pahtak.org>, LLVMdev <llvmdev@cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/asm: avoid mnemonics without type suffix
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:23:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E2FACA.3050801@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwKQQtTrgm7O8MLkqGgno-CsLSTM8tjrjuGmmqPEAZghw@mail.gmail.com>

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On 07/14/2013 10:19 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Now, there are possible cases where you want to make the size explicit
> because you are mixing memory operand sizes and there can be nasty
> performance implications of doing a 32-bit write and then doing a
> 64-bit read of the result. I'm not actually aware of us having ever
> worried/cared about it, but it's a possible source of trouble: mixing
> bitop instructions with non-bitop instructions can have some subtle
> interactions, and you need to be careful, since the size of the
> operand affects both the offset *and* the memory access size.
The SDM entry for BT mentions that the instruction may touch 2 or 4
bytes depending on the operand size, but doesn't specifically mention
that a 64 bit operation size touches 8 bytes - and it doesn't mention
anything at all about operand size and access size in BTR/BTS/BTC
(unless it's implied as part of the discussion about encoding the MSBs
of a constant bit offset in the offset of the addressing mode). Is that
an oversight?

>  The
> access size generally is meaningless from a semantic standpoint
> (little-endian being the only sane model), but the access size *can*
> have performance implications for the write queue forwarding.

It looks like that if the base address isn't aligned then neither is the
generated access, so you could get a protection fault if it overlaps a
page boundary, which is a semantic rather than purely operational
difference.

    J


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-14 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-14 12:56 [PATCH] x86/asm: avoid mnemonics without type suffix Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-14 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-14 18:26   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-14 18:34     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-14 18:49       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-14 18:35   ` [LLVMdev] " Tim Northover
2013-07-14 19:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-14 19:30       ` Tim Northover
2013-07-14 19:41         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2013-07-14 19:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:40           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-15 18:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:00               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-15 19:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-14 19:23   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2013-07-14 19:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-14 19:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2013-07-14 21:14   ` Andi Kleen
2013-07-15 18:42     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-15 18:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-15 18:58     ` Linus Torvalds

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