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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>,
	Liu Ping Fan <qemulist@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/8] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:48:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51F11EA8.9050108@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QXbeDqdKYTW-5CKZR7MNTSTNLnbqO-n2j6o+OsT9=SaFg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2013-07-25 14:41, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-07-25 14:35, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> Il 25/07/2013 14:32, Jan Kiszka ha scritto:
>>>> On 2013-07-25 14:21, Alex Bligh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --On 25 July 2013 14:05:30 +0200 Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex Bligh's series gives each AioContext its own rt_clock.  This avoids
>>>>>> the need for synchronization in the simple case.  If we require timer
>>>>>> access between threads then we really need to synchronize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You pointed out in another email that vm_clock stops when the guest is
>>>>>> paused.  I think we can find a solution for I/O throttling and QED,
>>>>>> which use vm_clock in the block layer.  Note that block jobs already use
>>>>>> rt_clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would happily at a QEMUClock of each type to AioContext. They are after
>>>>> all pretty lightweight.
>>>>
>>>> What's the point of adding tones of QEMUClock instances? Considering
>>>> proper abstraction, how are they different for each AioContext? Will
>>>> they run against different clock sources, start/stop at different times?
>>>> If the answer is "they have different timer list", then fix this
>>>> incorrect abstraction.
>>>
>>> s/QEMUClock/QEMUTimerList/ ? :)
>>
>> What do you mean? If the content of struct QEMUClock remained the same,
>> that would just paper over a design mistake.
> 
> QEMUClock really isn't much more than a reference to a clock source,
> an enabled/disabled flag, and a timer list.
> 
> The point of having one QEMUClock per AioContext is to allow each
> thread's event loop to have its own timers, without synchronization.
> 
> What is the design mistake?  I only see poor naming.

The concept of clocks (with start/stop property) and active timers shall
not be mixed, they are independent. Just factor out a separate list of
running timers and pass that to the infrastructure that deals with them.
I attached them to a QEMUAlarmTimer instance, you will likely need a
different abstraction.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RTC ITP SES-DE
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-25 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-21  8:42 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/8] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-21  8:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/8] timer: associate alarm_timer with AioContext Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-22  6:55   ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-21  8:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/8] timer: pick out timer list info from QemuClock Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-21  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/8] timer: make timers_state static Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-22  6:36   ` [Qemu-trivial] " Jan Kiszka
2013-07-22  6:36     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2013-07-22 17:40     ` [Qemu-trivial] " Michael Tokarev
2013-07-22 17:40       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael Tokarev
2013-07-21  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 4/8] timer: protect timers_state with lock Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-22  6:40   ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-21  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 5/8] timer: associate timer with AioContext Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-21  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 6/8] timer: run timers on aio_poll Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-21  9:55   ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-23  2:56     ` liu ping fan
2013-07-23 14:22       ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-21  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 7/8] block: associate BlockDriverState with AioContext Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-21  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 8/8] block: enable throttle with aiocontext Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-21  9:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/8] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Alex Bligh
2013-07-22  4:38   ` liu ping fan
2013-07-22  6:28     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-23  2:51       ` liu ping fan
2013-07-25 11:44         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-25 12:01           ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-22  9:40     ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-22 10:18       ` liu ping fan
2013-07-23  2:53         ` liu ping fan
2013-07-23 10:30           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-24  1:28             ` liu ping fan
2013-07-24  6:42               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-24  7:31                 ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-24  7:43                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-24  8:01                     ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-24  8:19                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-24  8:37                       ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-24 11:28                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-24  8:30                     ` liu ping fan
2013-07-24  7:43                 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-24  7:54                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-24  8:06                     ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-24 14:46                     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv2a] [RFC 8/7 (really)] Add prctl(PR_SET_TIMERSLACK, 1, ...) to reduce timer slack Alex Bligh
2013-07-23 14:21           ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/8] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Alex Bligh
2013-07-25 11:47         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-25 12:05 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-25 12:21   ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-25 12:32     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-25 12:35       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-25 12:38         ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-25 12:41           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-25 12:48             ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2013-07-25 13:02               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-25 13:06                 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-25 13:31                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-25 14:01                     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-25 12:59           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-25 18:53       ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-26  8:43         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-26  9:08           ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-26  9:19             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29  8:58           ` Kevin Wolf
2013-07-29 10:22             ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-29 10:45             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-31  9:02             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-26 10:05         ` Jan Kiszka
2013-07-26 19:29           ` Alex Bligh

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