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From: Dhaval Giani <dgiani@mozilla.com>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
Cc: Taras Glek <tglek@mozilla.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, vdjeric@mozilla.com,
	glandium@mozilla.com, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/2] ext4: Transparent Decompression Support
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:27:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51F17C17.2010702@mozilla.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130725175307.GA15590@logfs.org>

On 2013-07-25 1:53 PM, Jörn Engel wrote:
> On Thu, 25 July 2013 09:42:18 -0700, Taras Glek wrote:
>> Footprint wins are useful on android, but it's the
>> increased IO throughput on crappy storage devices that makes this
>> most attractive.
> All the world used to be a PC.  Seems to be Android these days.
>
> The biggest problem with compression support in the past was the
> physical properties of hard drives (the spinning type, if you can
> still remember those).  A random seek is surprisingly expensive, of a
> similar cost to 1MB or more of linear read.  So anything that
> introduces more random seeks will kill the preciously little
> performance you had to begin with.
>
> As long as files are write-once and read-only from that point on, you
> can just append a bunch of compressed chunks on the disk and nothing
> bad happens.  But if you have a read-write file with random overwrites
> somewhere in the middle, those overwrites will change the size of the
> compressed data.  You have to free the old physical blocks on disk and
> allocate new ones.  In effect, you have auto-fragmentation.
>
> So if you want any kind of support for your approach, I suspect you
> should either limit it to write-once files or prepare for a mob of
> gray-haired oldtimers with rainbow suspenders complaining about
> performance on their antiquated hardware.  And the mob may be larger
> than you think.

Yes, we plan to limit it to write-once. In order to write, you have to
replace the file.

Dhaval

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-25 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-24 21:03 [RFC/PATCH 0/2] ext4: Transparent Decompression Support Dhaval Giani
2013-07-24 23:36 ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-24 23:36   ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-25 15:16   ` Dhaval Giani
2013-07-25 15:29     ` Phillip Lougher
2013-07-25 15:29       ` Phillip Lougher
2013-07-25 16:42     ` Taras Glek
2013-07-25 16:42       ` Taras Glek
2013-07-25 17:53       ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-25 19:27         ` Dhaval Giani [this message]
2013-07-25 18:15       ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2013-07-25 18:35         ` Dhaval Giani
2013-07-26  8:01           ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2013-07-26 13:20             ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-26 13:20               ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-29 23:15               ` Mike Hommey
2013-08-04  0:33               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-08-04  2:21                 ` Jörn Engel
2013-08-04 23:48                   ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-04 23:48                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-07  9:21                     ` Andreas Dilger
2013-08-07 15:52                       ` Jörn Engel
2013-08-07 15:52                         ` Jörn Engel
     [not found]         ` <51F16B9A.5020006@mozilla.com>
2013-07-26  7:47           ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2013-07-25 18:05     ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-25 20:09       ` Zach Brown
2013-07-25 18:46         ` Jörn Engel
2013-07-25 18:46           ` Jörn Engel

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