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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@online.de>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re-tune x86 uaccess code for PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:18:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520675D3.7030703@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyB5E+Keupjz4trfMcNawUKVzQV8DF5aS_VsPiw3FaT_Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/10/2013 09:43 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any quantification of "munches throughput?"  It seems odd
>> that it would be worse than polling for preempt all over the kernel, but
>> perhaps the additional locking is what costs.
> 
> Actually, the big thing for true preemption is not so much the preempt
> count itself, but the fact that when the preempt count goes back to
> zero we have that "check if we should have been preempted" thing.
> 
> And in particular, the conditional function call that goes along with it.
> 
> The thing is, even if that is almost never taken, just the fact that
> there is a conditional function call very often makes code generation
> *much* worse. A function that is a leaf function with no stack frame
> with no preemption often turns into a non-leaf function with stackcheck
> frames when you enable preemption, just because it had a RCU read
> region which disabled preemption.
> 
> It's similar to the kind of code generation issue that Andi's patches
> are trying to work on.
> 
> Andi did the "test and jump to a different section to call the
> scheduler with registers saved" as an assembly stub in one of his
> patches in this series exactly to avoid the cost of this for the
> might_sleep() case, and generated that GET_THREAD_AND_SCHEDULE asm
> macro for it. But look at that asm macro, and compare it to
> "preempt_check_resched()"..
> 
> I have often wanted to have access to that kind of thing from C code.
> It's not unusual. Think lock failure paths, not Tom Jones.
> 

Hmm... if that is really the big issue then I'm wondering if
preempt_enable() &c shouldn't be rewritten in assembly... if nothing
else to get the outbound call out of view of the C compiler; it could
even be turned into an exception instruction.

There are a few other things that one have to wonder about: the
preempt_count is currently located in the thread_info structure, but
since by definition we can't switch a thread that is preemption-locked
it should work in a percpu variable as well.

We could then play a really ugly stunt by marking NEED_RESCHED by adding
0x7fffffff to the counter.  Then the whole sequence becomes something like:

	subl $1,%fs:preempt_count
	jno 1f
	call __naked_preempt_schedule	/* Or a trap */
1:

For architectures with conditional traps the trapping option becomes
even more attractive.

	-hpa




  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-10 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-09 23:04 Re-tune x86 uaccess code for PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 01/13] x86: Add 1/2/4/8 byte optimization to 64bit __copy_{from,to}_user_inatomic Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 02/13] x86: Include linux/sched.h in asm/uaccess.h Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 03/13] tree-sweep: Include linux/sched.h for might_sleep users Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 04/13] Move might_sleep and friends from kernel.h to sched.h Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 05/13] sched: mark should_resched() __always_inline Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 06/13] x86: Add 32bit versions of SAVE_ALL/RESTORE_ALL to calling.h Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 07/13] Add might_fault_debug_only() Andi Kleen
2013-08-14 18:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 08/13] x86: Move cond_resched into the out of line put_user code Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 09/13] x86: Move cond_resched into the out of line get_user code Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 10/13] x86: Move cond resched for copy_{from,to}_user into low level code 64bit Andi Kleen
2013-08-10 15:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 16:10     ` Andi Kleen
2013-08-10 16:27       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 18:23         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-10 19:05           ` Jörn Engel
2013-08-20 21:03         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  5:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 11/13] sched: Inline the need_resched test into the caller for _cond_resched Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 12/13] x86: move __copy_*_nocache might fault check out of line Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 13/13] x86: drop cond rescheds from __copy_{from,to}_user Andi Kleen
2013-08-10  4:42 ` Re-tune x86 uaccess code for PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10  5:55   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-10 16:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 16:43       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 17:18         ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-08-10 18:51           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 19:18             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 20:26             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 23:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-11  4:17       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-11  4:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-11  4:36           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-11  4:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-11  5:58               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-13 18:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-13 18:12   ` Andi Kleen
2013-08-14 18:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-14 22:08   ` Andi Kleen

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