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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	liu ping fan <qemulist@gmail.com>, Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>,
	MORITA Kazutaka <morita.kazutaka@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using aio_poll for timer carrier threads
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:54:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520A4897.3090407@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <520A467E.6000406@redhat.com>

On 2013-08-13 16:45, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 13/08/2013 09:56, Jan Kiszka ha scritto:
>> Hi Stefan,
>>
>> in the attempt to use Alex' ppoll-based timer rework for decoupled,
>> real-time capable timer device models I'm now scratching my head over
>> the aio_poll interface. I'm looking at dataplane/virtio-blk.c, just finding
>>
>> static void *data_plane_thread(void *opaque)
>> {
>>     VirtIOBlockDataPlane *s = opaque;
>>
>>     do {
>>         aio_poll(s->ctx, true);
>>     } while (!s->stopping || s->num_reqs > 0);
>>     return NULL;
>> }
>>
>> wondering where the locking is. Or doesn't this use need any at all? Are
>> all data structures that this thread accesses exclusively used by it, or
>> are they all accessed in a lock-less way?
> 
> There is some locking in aio_bh_poll.  It is pretty lightweight because
> adding elements and deleting them is done under a lock, while the list
> is walked without taking it (because deletion is only done by the thread
> that walks).  We could do something similar for file descriptors; timers
> are more complicated because insertions happen for every mod_timer.
> 
> Using an AioContext lock for timers is somewhat complicated for lock
> ordering, because context A could try to modify a timer from context B,
> at the same time when context B is modifying a timer from context A.
> This would cause a deadlock.

That's like MMIO access on device A triggers MMIO access on B and vice
versa - why should we need this, so why should we support this? I think
the typical case is that timers (and their lists) and data structures
they access have a fairly close relation, thus can reuse the same lock.

Jan

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-13 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-13  7:56 [Qemu-devel] Using aio_poll for timer carrier threads Jan Kiszka
2013-08-13 13:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-13 14:13   ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-14  0:48     ` liu ping fan
2013-08-14  8:52     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-14  9:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-14 11:35         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-14 12:32     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-19 12:00       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-13 14:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-13 14:54   ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2013-08-19 13:21     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-19 13:40       ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-19 14:09         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-19 13:58       ` Alex Bligh

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