From: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] powerpc: add PVR mask support
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:11:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <520CEFAC.6090500@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vc37qerm.fsf@codemonkey.ws>
Am 15.08.2013 15:12, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> Everyone is talking past each other and no one is addressing the real
> problem. There are two distinct issues here:
>
> 1) We have two ABIs that cannot be changed unless there's a very good
> reason to. Alexey's original patch breaks both. The guest ABI
> cannot change given a fixed command line.
>
> IOW, the exposed PVR value for -cpu POWER7 cannot change across
> versions of QEMU or when running on different hardware. This breaks
> live migration and save/resume.
>
> We also cannot break the command line interface. If the last version
> of QEMU supported -cpu POWER7_v2.1, then we must continue to support
> that.
1a) How should -cpu 0xDEADBEEF or -cpu DEADBEEF behave.
I expect it to error out as before
rather than applying the same fuzz/mask that -cpu host might.
That would let us implement our own fuzz logic in kvm.c,
operating on a GSList of ObjectClasses to handle multiple matches.
Regards,
Andreas
>
> If there's a good reason to break either of these, that's fine but
> that justification needs be up front in the patch commit message.
>
> 2) The only "-cpu" that makes sense is "-cpu host" for KVM on HV (or
> whatever ya'll call it). POWER does not have the ability to
> virtualize the hardware PVR value. There is a virtual PVR in the
> device tree but that's orthogonal to what we think of as the VCPU (it
> essentially means IIUC that the cpu is compatible with that PVR).
>
> We should explicitly disallow any -cpu value when KVM on HV is
> enabled other than host.
>
> The implementation of "-cpu host" is also goofy on PPC. -cpu host
> does a match on existing CPU models meaning that we have to define a
> CPU model for any possible CPU we run on. This would require having
> every possible CPU model implemented in QEMU which is silly.
> Instead, we should have a passthrough CPU model for use with "-cpu
> host" which is essentially what Alexey's patch turns -cpu POWER7
> into.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-08-15 15:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-15 3:35 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] powerpc: add PVR mask support Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 5:21 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 5:44 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 6:03 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 6:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-15 6:39 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 13:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-15 13:33 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 15:11 ` Andreas Färber [this message]
2013-08-15 15:30 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 15:48 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 15:58 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 16:22 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 17:01 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 16:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-15 5:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-15 6:10 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 6:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-15 6:37 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 6:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 6:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [_R_F_C_ PATCH v2] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 6:57 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 7:45 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v3] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 7:55 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 8:06 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 8:45 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 10:52 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 11:03 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 11:48 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 11:59 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-19 17:13 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 13:55 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 14:47 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 15:29 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 15:43 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 15:51 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 16:08 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-16 0:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-16 0:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-16 0:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-19 17:34 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-16 8:07 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-19 4:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v4] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-26 13:04 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-26 14:32 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-28 10:31 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-28 10:34 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v3] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 15:17 ` Alexander Graf
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