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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	liu ping fan <qemulist@gmail.com>, Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>,
	MORITA Kazutaka <morita.kazutaka@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using aio_poll for timer carrier threads
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:21:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52121BCA.6090804@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <520A4897.3090407@siemens.com>

Il 13/08/2013 16:54, Jan Kiszka ha scritto:
>> > Using an AioContext lock for timers is somewhat complicated for lock
>> > ordering, because context A could try to modify a timer from context B,
>> > at the same time when context B is modifying a timer from context A.
>> > This would cause a deadlock.
> That's like MMIO access on device A triggers MMIO access on B and vice
> versa - why should we need this, so why should we support this? I think
> the typical case is that timers (and their lists) and data structures
> they access have a fairly close relation, thus can reuse the same lock.

Yes, that's true.  Still it would have to be documented, and using
too-coarse locks risks having many BQLs, which multiplies the complexity
(fine-grained locking at least keeps critical sections small and limits
the amount of nested locking).

I like Stefan's patches to make the timer list thread-safe, especially
if we can optimize it (with RCU?) to make the read side lockless.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-19 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-13  7:56 [Qemu-devel] Using aio_poll for timer carrier threads Jan Kiszka
2013-08-13 13:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-13 14:13   ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-14  0:48     ` liu ping fan
2013-08-14  8:52     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-14  9:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-14 11:35         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-14 12:32     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-19 12:00       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-13 14:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-13 14:54   ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-19 13:21     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-19 13:40       ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-19 14:09         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-19 13:58       ` Alex Bligh

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