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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
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@ 2013-08-25 22:58   ` Benjamin Kingston
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From: Benjamin Kingston @ 2013-08-25 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

I have my boot partition on a pin protected flash drive and have
embedded the encryption keyfile for my filesystem in my initramfs
image to automate unlocking my computer with just the flash pin. The
issue with this comes when generating the initramfs through dracut,
because the boot disk is mounted and listed in /proc/self/mountinfo
and gets a systemd entry that requires it to be brought online.

Since the keyfile is embedded in the image in ram the boot disk is not
needed to be brought online, but since the USB is reset, this requires
me to enter the pin on the flash drive a second time, just to unlock
the volume to satisfy systemd.

is there a way to ignore a particular device when running dracut, or
at least change its timeout and systemd status to not be boot
effecting?

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
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@ 2013-08-26  6:23       ` Harald Hoyer
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From: Harald Hoyer @ 2013-08-26  6:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Benjamin Kingston; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

On 08/26/2013 12:58 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
> I have my boot partition on a pin protected flash drive and have
> embedded the encryption keyfile for my filesystem in my initramfs
> image to automate unlocking my computer with just the flash pin. The
> issue with this comes when generating the initramfs through dracut,
> because the boot disk is mounted and listed in /proc/self/mountinfo
> and gets a systemd entry that requires it to be brought online.
> 
> Since the keyfile is embedded in the image in ram the boot disk is not
> needed to be brought online, but since the USB is reset, this requires
> me to enter the pin on the flash drive a second time, just to unlock
> the volume to satisfy systemd.
> 
> is there a way to ignore a particular device when running dracut, or
> at least change its timeout and systemd status to not be boot
> effecting?


What is your kernel cmdline?
Where is the disk mounted in the initramfs?

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
       [not found]         ` <521AF44D.5030404-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
@ 2013-08-26 13:13           ` Benjamin Kingston
       [not found]             ` <CAHA1JWJ79ODLUM7pbjNyeMgVEfcsWeVeHt0roZizYW=CsRzd8w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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From: Benjamin Kingston @ 2013-08-26 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Harald Hoyer; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

My commandline is as follows:
BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.9-200.fc19.x86_64
root=UUID=b5855018-5b09-4cbd-a7fc-0516dd5e7a0a ro
rd.lvm.vg.uuid=gK6vvj-uE7w-E6i0-nZOr-WtbN-cJbJ-gxd82v rd.dm=0
rd.luks.uuid=luks-770c95fa-3ce3-4908-a491-8710d679fa68
rd.md.uuid=613e00b8:220a6e5b:0caa4d15:e981bbb1
rd.md.uuid=01f167fc:5607540d:b2274dec:482834f2 vconsole.keymap=us
rd.fips fips=0 intel_iommu=pt rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.utf8

The disk never gets mounted to my knowledge. When booted, autofs
mounts the disk in /mnt/usb/boot and the /boot folder is a symlink
that points there. Inside the initramfs this is duplicated (/boot
symlink to /mnt/usb/boot), which contains the encryption keyfile.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 08/26/2013 12:58 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
>> I have my boot partition on a pin protected flash drive and have
>> embedded the encryption keyfile for my filesystem in my initramfs
>> image to automate unlocking my computer with just the flash pin. The
>> issue with this comes when generating the initramfs through dracut,
>> because the boot disk is mounted and listed in /proc/self/mountinfo
>> and gets a systemd entry that requires it to be brought online.
>>
>> Since the keyfile is embedded in the image in ram the boot disk is not
>> needed to be brought online, but since the USB is reset, this requires
>> me to enter the pin on the flash drive a second time, just to unlock
>> the volume to satisfy systemd.
>>
>> is there a way to ignore a particular device when running dracut, or
>> at least change its timeout and systemd status to not be boot
>> effecting?
>
>
> What is your kernel cmdline?
> Where is the disk mounted in the initramfs?
>

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
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@ 2013-08-26 14:03               ` Benjamin Kingston
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  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin Kingston @ 2013-08-26 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Harald Hoyer; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

One more thing to add. There is a systemd target in
/etc/systemd/system that mentions the ext4 filesystem on the pin
protected flash drive by uuid

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Benjamin Kingston <list-ses8GfRmtAZWzAuRflr9/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> My commandline is as follows:
> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.9-200.fc19.x86_64
> root=UUID=b5855018-5b09-4cbd-a7fc-0516dd5e7a0a ro
> rd.lvm.vg.uuid=gK6vvj-uE7w-E6i0-nZOr-WtbN-cJbJ-gxd82v rd.dm=0
> rd.luks.uuid=luks-770c95fa-3ce3-4908-a491-8710d679fa68
> rd.md.uuid=613e00b8:220a6e5b:0caa4d15:e981bbb1
> rd.md.uuid=01f167fc:5607540d:b2274dec:482834f2 vconsole.keymap=us
> rd.fips fips=0 intel_iommu=pt rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.utf8
>
> The disk never gets mounted to my knowledge. When booted, autofs
> mounts the disk in /mnt/usb/boot and the /boot folder is a symlink
> that points there. Inside the initramfs this is duplicated (/boot
> symlink to /mnt/usb/boot), which contains the encryption keyfile.
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> On 08/26/2013 12:58 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
>>> I have my boot partition on a pin protected flash drive and have
>>> embedded the encryption keyfile for my filesystem in my initramfs
>>> image to automate unlocking my computer with just the flash pin. The
>>> issue with this comes when generating the initramfs through dracut,
>>> because the boot disk is mounted and listed in /proc/self/mountinfo
>>> and gets a systemd entry that requires it to be brought online.
>>>
>>> Since the keyfile is embedded in the image in ram the boot disk is not
>>> needed to be brought online, but since the USB is reset, this requires
>>> me to enter the pin on the flash drive a second time, just to unlock
>>> the volume to satisfy systemd.
>>>
>>> is there a way to ignore a particular device when running dracut, or
>>> at least change its timeout and systemd status to not be boot
>>> effecting?
>>
>>
>> What is your kernel cmdline?
>> Where is the disk mounted in the initramfs?
>>

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
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@ 2013-08-27  9:13                   ` Harald Hoyer
       [not found]                     ` <521C6DC1.1010702-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Harald Hoyer @ 2013-08-27  9:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Benjamin Kingston; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

On 08/26/2013 04:03 PM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
> One more thing to add. There is a systemd target in
> /etc/systemd/system that mentions the ext4 filesystem on the pin
> protected flash drive by uuid
> 
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Benjamin Kingston <list-ses8GfRmtAZWzAuRflr9/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> My commandline is as follows:
>> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.9-200.fc19.x86_64
>> root=UUID=b5855018-5b09-4cbd-a7fc-0516dd5e7a0a ro
>> rd.lvm.vg.uuid=gK6vvj-uE7w-E6i0-nZOr-WtbN-cJbJ-gxd82v rd.dm=0
>> rd.luks.uuid=luks-770c95fa-3ce3-4908-a491-8710d679fa68
>> rd.md.uuid=613e00b8:220a6e5b:0caa4d15:e981bbb1
>> rd.md.uuid=01f167fc:5607540d:b2274dec:482834f2 vconsole.keymap=us
>> rd.fips fips=0 intel_iommu=pt rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.utf8
>>
>> The disk never gets mounted to my knowledge. When booted, autofs
>> mounts the disk in /mnt/usb/boot and the /boot folder is a symlink
>> that points there. Inside the initramfs this is duplicated (/boot
>> symlink to /mnt/usb/boot), which contains the encryption keyfile.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> On 08/26/2013 12:58 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
>>>> I have my boot partition on a pin protected flash drive and have
>>>> embedded the encryption keyfile for my filesystem in my initramfs
>>>> image to automate unlocking my computer with just the flash pin. The
>>>> issue with this comes when generating the initramfs through dracut,
>>>> because the boot disk is mounted and listed in /proc/self/mountinfo
>>>> and gets a systemd entry that requires it to be brought online.
>>>>
>>>> Since the keyfile is embedded in the image in ram the boot disk is not
>>>> needed to be brought online, but since the USB is reset, this requires
>>>> me to enter the pin on the flash drive a second time, just to unlock
>>>> the volume to satisfy systemd.
>>>>
>>>> is there a way to ignore a particular device when running dracut, or
>>>> at least change its timeout and systemd status to not be boot
>>>> effecting?
>>>
>>>
>>> What is your kernel cmdline?
>>> Where is the disk mounted in the initramfs?
>>>

Why did you specify rd.fips and probably include the fips module?
Just to get /boot mounted?

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
       [not found]                     ` <521C6DC1.1010702-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
@ 2013-08-29  8:35                       ` Benjamin Kingston
       [not found]                         ` <CAHA1JWL9ZKxxu+ctXA5zcPSz+VKQAFnEW4TNNs6h+J0OiF5ggA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin Kingston @ 2013-08-29  8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Harald Hoyer; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

I'm playing around with fips at the moment and currently have kernel
fips off, to my knowledge the fips dracut module does nothing unless
kernel fips is on. Essentially I'm trying to get dracut to ignore the
boot partition device since all needed information to boot and unlock
(/etc/cryptab and the keyfile) are embedded in the initramfs. It
appears that upon dracut generating the initramfs image, it assumes
that the volume that boot is on is required to boot the system.

I know the system unlocks the drive because if I allow systemd to
timeout while waiting for the volume UUID to appear, I can see the
LUKS volume in /dev/mapper in the dracut shell. Essentially the only
thing preventing the system from booting is the fact that there is a
systemd target that is requiring the boot partition to be made active
(not mounted, as far as I can tell by interrupting dracut pre-pivot
after unlocking the flash volume the 2nd time).

I also had it working smoothly in fedora 17 at one point, where it
would unlock the luks disk according to the embedded crypttab with the
embedded keyfile and boot the system with out having to unlock the
flash drive just so systemd can see it. I'm not sure what could have
changed since fedora 18 since my experience is in systems
administration rather than software development, so I really
appreciate you sharing some of your time.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 08/26/2013 04:03 PM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
>> One more thing to add. There is a systemd target in
>> /etc/systemd/system that mentions the ext4 filesystem on the pin
>> protected flash drive by uuid
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Benjamin Kingston <list-ses8GfRmtAZWzAuRflr9/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> My commandline is as follows:
>>> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.9-200.fc19.x86_64
>>> root=UUID=b5855018-5b09-4cbd-a7fc-0516dd5e7a0a ro
>>> rd.lvm.vg.uuid=gK6vvj-uE7w-E6i0-nZOr-WtbN-cJbJ-gxd82v rd.dm=0
>>> rd.luks.uuid=luks-770c95fa-3ce3-4908-a491-8710d679fa68
>>> rd.md.uuid=613e00b8:220a6e5b:0caa4d15:e981bbb1
>>> rd.md.uuid=01f167fc:5607540d:b2274dec:482834f2 vconsole.keymap=us
>>> rd.fips fips=0 intel_iommu=pt rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.utf8
>>>
>>> The disk never gets mounted to my knowledge. When booted, autofs
>>> mounts the disk in /mnt/usb/boot and the /boot folder is a symlink
>>> that points there. Inside the initramfs this is duplicated (/boot
>>> symlink to /mnt/usb/boot), which contains the encryption keyfile.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> On 08/26/2013 12:58 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
>>>>> I have my boot partition on a pin protected flash drive and have
>>>>> embedded the encryption keyfile for my filesystem in my initramfs
>>>>> image to automate unlocking my computer with just the flash pin. The
>>>>> issue with this comes when generating the initramfs through dracut,
>>>>> because the boot disk is mounted and listed in /proc/self/mountinfo
>>>>> and gets a systemd entry that requires it to be brought online.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the keyfile is embedded in the image in ram the boot disk is not
>>>>> needed to be brought online, but since the USB is reset, this requires
>>>>> me to enter the pin on the flash drive a second time, just to unlock
>>>>> the volume to satisfy systemd.
>>>>>
>>>>> is there a way to ignore a particular device when running dracut, or
>>>>> at least change its timeout and systemd status to not be boot
>>>>> effecting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is your kernel cmdline?
>>>> Where is the disk mounted in the initramfs?
>>>>
>
> Why did you specify rd.fips and probably include the fips module?
> Just to get /boot mounted?

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
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@ 2013-08-29  9:02                           ` Harald Hoyer
       [not found]                             ` <521F0E3F.7000305-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Harald Hoyer @ 2013-08-29  9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Benjamin Kingston; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1631 bytes --]

On 08/29/2013 10:35 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
> I'm playing around with fips at the moment and currently have kernel
> fips off, to my knowledge the fips dracut module does nothing unless
> kernel fips is on. Essentially I'm trying to get dracut to ignore the
> boot partition device since all needed information to boot and unlock
> (/etc/cryptab and the keyfile) are embedded in the initramfs. It
> appears that upon dracut generating the initramfs image, it assumes
> that the volume that boot is on is required to boot the system.
> 
> I know the system unlocks the drive because if I allow systemd to
> timeout while waiting for the volume UUID to appear, I can see the
> LUKS volume in /dev/mapper in the dracut shell. Essentially the only
> thing preventing the system from booting is the fact that there is a
> systemd target that is requiring the boot partition to be made active
> (not mounted, as far as I can tell by interrupting dracut pre-pivot
> after unlocking the flash volume the 2nd time).
> 
> I also had it working smoothly in fedora 17 at one point, where it
> would unlock the luks disk according to the embedded crypttab with the
> embedded keyfile and boot the system with out having to unlock the
> flash drive just so systemd can see it. I'm not sure what could have
> changed since fedora 18 since my experience is in systems
> administration rather than software development, so I really
> appreciate you sharing some of your time.
> 


Attached patch for /usr/bin/dracut should help to boot without the /boot device.

The fips module on the other hand _requires_ having /boot and checking vmlinuz.

[-- Attachment #2: dracut-noboot.patch --]
[-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 381 bytes --]

diff --git a/dracut.sh b/dracut.sh
index 7481ac0..8ee40a3 100755
--- a/dracut.sh
+++ b/dracut.sh
@@ -838,7 +838,7 @@ if [[ $hostonly ]]; then
         "/usr/sbin" \
         "/usr/lib" \
         "/usr/lib64" \
-        "/boot";
+        ;
     do
         mountpoint "$mp" >/dev/null 2>&1 || continue
         push host_devs $(readlink -f "/dev/block/$(find_block_device "$mp")")

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* Re: Ignore or blacklist a disk from being brought up on boot
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@ 2013-08-30  0:39                               ` Benjamin Kingston
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Benjamin Kingston @ 2013-08-30  0:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Harald Hoyer; +Cc: initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Ok thank you, I'll check this when I get home. I've also got the
vmlinuz and .vmlinuz.hmac embedded in the initramfs, so hopefully that
will avoid the need when rdfips checks, but shouldn't
rd.fips.skipkernel prevent that even if the vmlinuz isn't embedded in
the initramfs?

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Harald Hoyer <harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 08/29/2013 10:35 AM, Benjamin Kingston wrote:
>> I'm playing around with fips at the moment and currently have kernel
>> fips off, to my knowledge the fips dracut module does nothing unless
>> kernel fips is on. Essentially I'm trying to get dracut to ignore the
>> boot partition device since all needed information to boot and unlock
>> (/etc/cryptab and the keyfile) are embedded in the initramfs. It
>> appears that upon dracut generating the initramfs image, it assumes
>> that the volume that boot is on is required to boot the system.
>>
>> I know the system unlocks the drive because if I allow systemd to
>> timeout while waiting for the volume UUID to appear, I can see the
>> LUKS volume in /dev/mapper in the dracut shell. Essentially the only
>> thing preventing the system from booting is the fact that there is a
>> systemd target that is requiring the boot partition to be made active
>> (not mounted, as far as I can tell by interrupting dracut pre-pivot
>> after unlocking the flash volume the 2nd time).
>>
>> I also had it working smoothly in fedora 17 at one point, where it
>> would unlock the luks disk according to the embedded crypttab with the
>> embedded keyfile and boot the system with out having to unlock the
>> flash drive just so systemd can see it. I'm not sure what could have
>> changed since fedora 18 since my experience is in systems
>> administration rather than software development, so I really
>> appreciate you sharing some of your time.
>>
>
>
> Attached patch for /usr/bin/dracut should help to boot without the /boot device.
>
> The fips module on the other hand _requires_ having /boot and checking vmlinuz.

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