Hi Alfonso,

On 10/17/2013 11:20 AM, Alfonso Sanchez-Beato wrote:
> Hi Denis,
>
>>
>> I think you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't need to be solved.
>> Its 2013, I've not seen 2G sims available for ages now.  3G sims mandate
>> EFad data to be properly populated.  I really fail to see the point,
>> especially breaking the core to do so.
>
> I can see that your opinion is that it is not an important issue
> because it is supposed not to affect too many people.
>
> But the fact is that at least two operators, one from Sweden and
> another one from Pakistan provide (compliant) SIMs with non-fully
> populated EFad.

The real question is what exactly is happening with these SIMs.  For 
example, if a SIM is an old 2G SIM that has a length 3 EFad, then likely 
it is simply a European SIM with a 2 character MNC.

Whereas if EFad is not populated at all, then you're really in trouble.

For example, I have 2x T-Mobile SIMs on my desk and 2x AT&T SIMs.  Both 
AT&T SIMs have fully populated EFad when used in a 3G device.  When you 
insert these into a Freerunner, they both report EFad as non-existent. 
One T-Mobile 3G SIM has everything populated properly both times.  The 
other SIM reports EFad as length 3 (e.g. no MNC length is included) on a 
3G device and has no EFad whatsoever on the Freerunner.

The last SIM is an older SIM, but as you can see even well-established 
operators can get things wrong.  Being as pedantic as possible is the 
safest approach.  The core is written to be as conservative as possible 
and not try to pick things randomly.  If the SIM is configured wrongly, 
well then there's nothing we can do.

So again, you can try to guess, but you need to do this outside of the 
core.  If you want to run heuristics against IMSI based on some 
database, then just extend the provisioning API to do so.

>
> One new SIM from a MVNO that came to my hands a few weeks ago was SIM
> and not USIM (although EFad was fully populated). 3G phones do work
> with SIMs, and if the operator can buy slightly cheaper cards, it
> might use them. And there are many areas in the world where you just
> have 2G+EDGE coverage, so the operator does not really need to provide
> USIM. So they will provide SIMs, and some of them might no have full
> EFad.
>

Again, I think you're confusing the issue.  The issue is not a 2G sim vs 
3G sim.  The issue is whether EFad was populated properly.  If the 
operator bothers to include it, then likely they will put proper data in 
there, but even then you don't really know for sure.

If EFad is missing completely, well that is a different story.

> So I see your point, but it is not backed by numbers, and I have the
> feeling that this *might* affect more users than expected, especially
> if we think of Asia or Africa.
>

You have to pick your battles.  There's no way you can make this work in 
a foolproof way for every single operator out there.  Too many of them 
just do not follow standards or have not followed them in the past.

>> Fallback to manual user provisioning and give the user a list to choose
>> from.
>
> I think we can make life easier for many users if we provide a
> fail-safe mechanism that will be triggered only for
> non-fully-populated EFad and that in that case will work in most, if
> not all, the cases. I do not say that the patch I sent first would be
> the solution, we can think a different way of solving this.
>

Patches are always welcome, but please keep in mind the core policies I 
outlined.  Plugins have much less restrictions and you can get a bit 
more creative there.  If you want to maintain a MCC -> MNC length 
database based on ITU E.212, then I definitely encourage you to do so.

Regards,
-Denis