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From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: mbizon@freebox.fr
Cc: Felix Fietkau <nbd@openwrt.org>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	John Crispin <blogic@openwrt.org>,
	Jonas Gorski <jogo@openwrt.org>, Gary Thomas <gary@mlbassoc.com>,
	Vlad Yasevich <vyasevic@redhat.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4 net-next] net: phy: add Generic Netlink Ethernet switch configuration API
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:50:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5270F282.6000708@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1383088365.16822.22.camel@sakura.staff.proxad.net>

On 10/29/13 19:12, Maxime Bizon wrote:

>
>  From a user POV, when you see a netdevice, you expect to be able to
> receive or send packets from/to it. The ability to read stats/link is
> only a secondary feature.
>

The important part is all the APIs stay consistent. I can use
same netlink calls. ifconfig works.
iproute2 works. People have written books on this stuff - we dont
have MCSE(Must Call Software Engineer) certification, but this is
as close as it gets. i.e the knowledge has been commoditized, even
my kid knows how to use these tools.

If i can get stats by doing ifconfig - that should provide illusion that
the netdevice is sending/receiving packets.

> Wireless subsystem moved away from using dummy/additional netdevices
> because it caused confusion.
>

This is a good arguement.
Can we hear a little more about this?

> multiqueue devices forced us to separate struct netdevice and struct
> netdev_queue, maybe it's time for more surgery :)
>

I think that would be a reasonable thing to do if it becomes necessary.

cheers,
jamal

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-30 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-22 18:23 [PATCH 0/4 net-next] net: phy: add Generic Netlink switch configuration API Florian Fainelli
2013-10-22 18:23 ` [PATCH 1/4 net-next] net: phy: add Generic Netlink Ethernet " Florian Fainelli
2013-10-22 19:22   ` Dan Williams
2013-10-22 19:32     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-10-22 19:47       ` David Miller
     [not found]         ` <1382477150.19269.69.camel@dcbw.foobar.com>
2013-10-22 21:22           ` David Miller
2013-10-22 19:46     ` David Miller
2013-10-22 19:53   ` John Fastabend
2013-10-22 19:59     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-10-22 20:25       ` Neil Horman
2013-10-22 22:09         ` Florian Fainelli
2013-10-23 11:34           ` Neil Horman
2013-10-23 11:47           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-23 12:04             ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-23 12:53               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-23 13:31                 ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-23 14:09                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-23 14:32                     ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-25 11:43                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-25 13:01                         ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-27 17:19                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-27 18:14                             ` Florian Fainelli
2013-10-28 22:29                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-27 19:51                             ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-28 22:53                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-29  9:34                                 ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-30 11:45                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2013-10-30 12:53                                     ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-30 17:27                                 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2013-10-30 17:34                                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2013-10-30 17:56                                     ` John Fastabend
2013-10-30 17:56                                     ` John Fastabend
2013-10-30 19:47                                   ` Felix Fietkau
2013-12-07  1:45                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-10-29 23:12                 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-30 11:50                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
2013-10-30 11:58                     ` Felix Fietkau
2013-10-30 14:28                     ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-22 18:23 ` [PATCH 2/4 net-next] tools: add Generic Netlink switch configuration tool Florian Fainelli
2013-10-22 18:23 ` [PATCH 3/4 net-next] net: phy: add Broadcom B53 switch driver Florian Fainelli
2013-10-22 18:23 ` [PATCH 4/4 net-next] net: phy: add fake " Florian Fainelli

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