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From: Pekka Enberg <penberg-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org>
To: jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Landley <rob-VoJi6FS/r0vR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	x86 maintainers <x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Matt Fleming
	<matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Yinghai Lu <yinghai-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	"list-T1Yj925okcpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org:DOCUMENTATION"
	<linux-doc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"list-T1Yj925okcpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org:MEMORY MANAGEMENT"
	<linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>linux-doc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Early use of boot service memory
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:36:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5285DD15.6080700@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131115005049.GJ5116-dMAi7lA+vBPDUbYHzcRnttBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

On 11/15/13 2:50 AM, jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org wrote:
> One already has to specify command line arguments to enable kdump.

Yes, so what?

The problem with your patch is that now to enable kdump, I have to know 
that there's a second command line option and if my firmware is "broken" 
or not.  The former is already a problem (how do I even know such a 
thing exists?) but the latter is almost impossible to solve from user 
point of view. And if I have a "broken" firmware, kdump won't work no 
matter what options I pass.

I really don't see what's practical about that.

                         Pekka

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Pekka Enberg <penberg@iki.fi>
To: jerry.hoemann@hp.com, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"list@ebiederm.org:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"list@ebiederm.org:MEMORY MANAGEMENT"
	<linux-mm@kvack.org>linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Early use of boot service memory
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:36:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5285DD15.6080700@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131115005049.GJ5116@anatevka.fc.hp.com>

On 11/15/13 2:50 AM, jerry.hoemann@hp.com wrote:
> One already has to specify command line arguments to enable kdump.

Yes, so what?

The problem with your patch is that now to enable kdump, I have to know 
that there's a second command line option and if my firmware is "broken" 
or not.  The former is already a problem (how do I even know such a 
thing exists?) but the latter is almost impossible to solve from user 
point of view. And if I have a "broken" firmware, kdump won't work no 
matter what options I pass.

I really don't see what's practical about that.

                         Pekka

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From: Pekka Enberg <penberg@iki.fi>
To: jerry.hoemann@hp.com, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"list@ebiederm.org:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"list@ebiederm.org:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Early use of boot service memory
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:36:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5285DD15.6080700@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131115005049.GJ5116@anatevka.fc.hp.com>

On 11/15/13 2:50 AM, jerry.hoemann@hp.com wrote:
> One already has to specify command line arguments to enable kdump.

Yes, so what?

The problem with your patch is that now to enable kdump, I have to know 
that there's a second command line option and if my firmware is "broken" 
or not.  The former is already a problem (how do I even know such a 
thing exists?) but the latter is almost impossible to solve from user 
point of view. And if I have a "broken" firmware, kdump won't work no 
matter what options I pass.

I really don't see what's practical about that.

                         Pekka

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-15  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-12  2:15 [PATCH 0/3] Early use of boot service memory Jerry Hoemann
2013-11-12  2:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] x86: avoid efi_reserve_boot_services Jerry Hoemann
     [not found] ` <1384222558-38527-1-git-send-email-jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-12  2:15   ` [PATCH 1/3] efi: Early use of boot service memory Jerry Hoemann
2013-11-12  2:15     ` Jerry Hoemann
2013-11-12  2:15   ` [PATCH 3/3] x86, " Jerry Hoemann
2013-11-12  2:15     ` Jerry Hoemann
2013-11-12 18:58   ` [PATCH 0/3] " H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-12 18:58     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]     ` <d73ccce9-6a0d-4470-bda3-f0c6eb96b5e4-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-13 22:45       ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
2013-11-13 22:45         ` jerry.hoemann
     [not found]         ` <20131113224503.GB25344-dMAi7lA+vBPDUbYHzcRnttBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-13 22:49           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-13 22:49             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <52840206.5020006-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-13 23:57               ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
2013-11-13 23:57                 ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-14  0:05                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-14  1:40                   ` jerry.hoemann
     [not found]                   ` <528413DE.1090203-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-01  9:54                     ` Yuhong Bao
2014-08-01  9:54                       ` Yuhong Bao
     [not found]                 ` <20131113235708.GC25344-dMAi7lA+vBPDUbYHzcRnttBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-14  8:24                   ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-14  8:24                     ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-14 18:04                     ` jerry.hoemann
     [not found]                       ` <20131114180455.GA32212-dMAi7lA+vBPDUbYHzcRnttBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-14 18:44                         ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-14 18:44                           ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-14 18:45                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-14 18:45                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15  0:50                           ` jerry.hoemann
     [not found]                             ` <20131115005049.GJ5116-dMAi7lA+vBPDUbYHzcRnttBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15  6:24                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-15  6:24                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-15  6:55                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-15  6:59                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15  6:59                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15 14:07                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 14:07                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 17:33                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-15 17:33                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-15 17:40                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15 17:40                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15 18:30                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 18:30                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 18:46                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15 18:46                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15 19:16                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-15 19:16                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-18 15:22                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-18 15:22                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-18 18:29                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-18 18:29                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-18 18:52                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-18 18:52                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-19  1:32                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-19  1:32                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                               ` <528ABFA3.6060905-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19  3:02                                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-19  3:02                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-19  3:02                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-15 18:03                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 18:03                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 22:24                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-15 22:24                                             ` Yinghai Lu
     [not found]                                             ` <CAE9FiQU_OstEq3VWwBB879O4EY0DE+zVWVens+w0MLFUQmr3sw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 22:55                                               ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
2013-11-15 22:55                                                 ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-15 22:55                                                 ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-15 23:43                                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-15 23:43                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-18 15:32                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-18 15:32                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-18 19:34                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-18 19:34                                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-11-18 19:39                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-18 19:39                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15 18:16                                     ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-15 18:16                                       ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-15 19:13                                 ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-18 15:42                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-15  8:36                               ` Pekka Enberg [this message]
2013-11-15  8:36                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-15  8:36                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-14 15:26               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-14 15:26                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-12 10:37 ` Pekka Enberg
2013-11-12 17:55   ` jerry.hoemann
2013-11-12 18:48     ` Pekka Enberg
     [not found]       ` <CAOJsxLEU1SPd=1C8QPgrZGWeOuyOVkozuMR014xBpJTxyFviKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-12 21:52         ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
2013-11-12 21:52           ` jerry.hoemann

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