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From: Rob Herring <robherring2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Hiroshi Doyu <hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: Report from 2013 ARM kernel summit
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:45:02 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528BCDCE.6070006@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131119173524.GK11778-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 09:40:54AM +0000, Hiroshi Doyu wrote:
>> Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote @ Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:06:27 +0100:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:47:23 +0100, Hiroshi Doyu <hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> 1, When a device is populated, it checks if that device is IOMMU'able
>>>>    or not. This is identified by "#stream-id-cells" in DT. If
>>>>    a device is normal(non IOMMU), a device is populated. If a device
>>>>    is IOMMU'able, it continues to be checked.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>> I'm not so sure if this dependecy on "#stream-id-cells" is acceptable
>>>> or not, but I haven't any better idea right now.
>>>
>>> It seems a little fragile to me too. I'd rather the IOMMU requirement be
>>> described more explicitly.

I don't see how this can work. Typically you find a property and then
read the relevant #*-cells to determine the size. Having multiple cell
properties is asking for errors.

>>
>> I think that Will Deacon can do better than I.
> 
> I already commented briefly here:
> 
>   http://www.spinics.net/lists/devicetree/msg11513.html
> 
> basically deferring to DT people :)
> 
> Anyway, I'm happy to tighten up the IOMMU requirement description but
> *not* at the expense of breaking what we currently have for the ARM SMMU,
> which is being used by Calxeda.
> 
> Adding Andreas and Rob for input on potential binding additions to the SMMU.

The above proposal would be an incompatible change. However, I think we
could still deal with a change in this binding at this stage.

One way approach to handle this without changing the binding would be to
scan the DT for all iommu's up front and create a list of all nodes and
their iommu parent. The fact that the hierarchy is described in a way
that doesn't fit Linux well is really a Linux implementation detail.

If changing the binding, a simple approach would be to allow
'smmu-parent' to be a bus and/or device property and not just for
chained iommu's. This could be a global or bus property that is
inherited. Like interrupt-parent, you would have to deal with the parent
being itself. Also, perhaps iommu-parent would be a better name. In any
case, I'd like to see this all be a generic iommu binding.

Rob

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From: robherring2@gmail.com (Rob Herring)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Report from 2013 ARM kernel summit
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:45:02 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528BCDCE.6070006@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131119173524.GK11778@mudshark.cambridge.arm.com>

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 09:40:54AM +0000, Hiroshi Doyu wrote:
>> Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca> wrote @ Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:06:27 +0100:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:47:23 +0100, Hiroshi Doyu <hdoyu@nvidia.com> wrote:
>>>> 1, When a device is populated, it checks if that device is IOMMU'able
>>>>    or not. This is identified by "#stream-id-cells" in DT. If
>>>>    a device is normal(non IOMMU), a device is populated. If a device
>>>>    is IOMMU'able, it continues to be checked.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>> I'm not so sure if this dependecy on "#stream-id-cells" is acceptable
>>>> or not, but I haven't any better idea right now.
>>>
>>> It seems a little fragile to me too. I'd rather the IOMMU requirement be
>>> described more explicitly.

I don't see how this can work. Typically you find a property and then
read the relevant #*-cells to determine the size. Having multiple cell
properties is asking for errors.

>>
>> I think that Will Deacon can do better than I.
> 
> I already commented briefly here:
> 
>   http://www.spinics.net/lists/devicetree/msg11513.html
> 
> basically deferring to DT people :)
> 
> Anyway, I'm happy to tighten up the IOMMU requirement description but
> *not* at the expense of breaking what we currently have for the ARM SMMU,
> which is being used by Calxeda.
> 
> Adding Andreas and Rob for input on potential binding additions to the SMMU.

The above proposal would be an incompatible change. However, I think we
could still deal with a change in this binding at this stage.

One way approach to handle this without changing the binding would be to
scan the DT for all iommu's up front and create a list of all nodes and
their iommu parent. The fact that the hierarchy is described in a way
that doesn't fit Linux well is really a Linux implementation detail.

If changing the binding, a simple approach would be to allow
'smmu-parent' to be a bus and/or device property and not just for
chained iommu's. This could be a global or bus property that is
inherited. Like interrupt-parent, you would have to deal with the parent
being itself. Also, perhaps iommu-parent would be a better name. In any
case, I'd like to see this all be a generic iommu binding.

Rob

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-19 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-08 13:20 Report from 2013 ARM kernel summit Grant Likely
     [not found] ` <CACxGe6stYhZOc=MfGj8BgtG8zp6eh=jRFGUbFn1SSYRtw+zryA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-11  9:47   ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-11-11  9:47     ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]     ` <20131111.114723.1885845500744256130.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15  7:06       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-15  7:06         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]         ` <20131115070627.6CF65C4079B-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19  9:40           ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-11-19  9:40             ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]             ` <20131119.114054.663999769447782808.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 17:35               ` Will Deacon
2013-11-19 17:35                 ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                 ` <20131119173524.GK11778-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 20:45                   ` Rob Herring [this message]
2013-11-19 20:45                     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                     ` <528BCDCE.6070006-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20  6:39                       ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-11-20  6:39                         ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]                         ` <20131120.083955.1386179068365424976.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 20:02                           ` Rob Herring
2013-11-20 20:02                             ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                             ` <CAL_Jsq+AxEWhkOhxwAZ=+rpzDZ+yC1b3ZV541UhOu9kiwUhUdQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 20:22                               ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-20 20:22                                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                 ` <528D1A0F.2000508-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21  8:49                                   ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-11-21  8:49                                     ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-11-21 11:00                               ` Will Deacon
2013-11-21 11:00                                 ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                 ` <20131121110024.GA8395-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:40                                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-21 18:40                                     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                     ` <528E539C.8080603-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-25 18:03                                       ` Will Deacon
2013-11-25 18:03                                         ` Will Deacon
2013-11-20 10:31                       ` Will Deacon
2013-11-20 10:31                         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                         ` <20131120103111.GB19352-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 13:53                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-20 13:53                             ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                             ` <20131120135308.GC8279-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 19:47                               ` Rob Herring
2013-11-20 19:47                                 ` Rob Herring
2013-11-20 20:22                           ` Rob Herring
2013-11-20 20:22                             ` Rob Herring
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-11-07 23:29 Grant Likely

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