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From: Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG <s.priebe@profihost.ag>
To: Chinmay V S <cvs268@gmail.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	matthew@wil.cx
Subject: Re: Why is O_DSYNC on linux so slow / what's wrong with my SSD?
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:12:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528CC36A.7080003@profihost.ag> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK-9PRAManphkxT3ub0DfW8hx=xbq+ZeqUB0E0CEnFTfF7AQuw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChinmayVS,

Am 20.11.2013 14:34, schrieb Chinmay V S:
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> Christoph is bang on right. To further elaborate upon this, here is
> what is happening in the above case :
> By using DIRECT, SYNC/DSYNC flags on a block device (i.e. bypassing
> the file-systems layer), essentially you are enforcing a CMD_FLUSH on
> each I/O command sent to the disk. This is by design of the
> block-device driver in the Linux kernel. This severely degrades the
> performance.
> 
> A detailed walk-through of the various I/O scenarios is available at
> thecodeartist.blogspot.com/2012/08/hdd-filesystems-osync.html
> 
> Note that SYNC/DSYNC on a filesystem(eg. ext2/3/4) does NOT issue a
> CMD_FLUSH. The "SYNC" via filesystem, simply guarantees that the data
> is sent to the disk and not really flushed to the disk. It will
> continue to reside in the internal cache on the disk, waiting to be
> written to the disk platter in a optimum manner (bunch of writes
> re-ordered to be sequential on-disk and clubbed together in one go).
> This can affect performance to a large extent on modern HDDs with NCQ
> support (CMD_FLUSH simply cancels all performance benefits of NCQ).
> 
> In case of SSDs, the huge IOPS number for the disk (40,000 in case of
> Crucial M4) is again typically observed with write-cache enabled.
> For Crucial M4 SSDs,
> http://www.crucial.com/pdf/tech_specs-letter_crucial_m4_ssd_v3-11-11_online.pdf
> Footnote1 - "Typical I/O performance numbers as measured using Iometer
> with a queue depth of 32 and write cache enabled. Iometer measurements
> are performed on a 8GB span. 4k transfers used for Read/Write latency
> values."

thanks for your great and detailed reply. I'm just wondering why an
intel 520 ssd degrades the speed just by 2% in case of O_SYNC. intel 530
the newer model and replacement for the 520 degrades speed by 75% like
the crucial m4.

The Intel DC S3500 instead delivers also nearly 98% of it's performance
even under O_SYNC.

> To simply disable this behaviour and make the SYNC/DSYNC behaviour and
> performance on raw block-device I/O resemble the standard filesystem
> I/O you may want to apply the following patch to your kernel -
> https://gist.github.com/TheCodeArtist/93dddcd6a21dc81414ba
> 
> The above patch simply disables the CMD_FLUSH command support even on
> disks that claim to support it.

Is this the right one? By assing ahci_dummy_read_id we disable the
CMD_FLUSH?

What is the risk of that one?

Thanks!

Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-20 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-20 12:12 Why is O_DSYNC on linux so slow / what's wrong with my SSD? Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2013-11-20 12:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-20 13:34   ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-20 13:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-20 14:12     ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG [this message]
2013-11-20 15:22       ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-20 15:37         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-20 15:55           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-11-20 17:11             ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-20 17:58               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-11-20 18:43                 ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-21 10:11                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-22 20:01                     ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-22 20:37                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-22 21:05                         ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-23 18:27                         ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-23 19:35                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-23 19:48                             ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-25  7:37                             ` Stefan Priebe
2020-01-08  6:58                             ` slow sync performance on LSI / Broadcom MegaRaid performance with battery cache Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2013-11-22 19:57             ` Why is O_DSYNC on linux so slow / what's wrong with my SSD? Stefan Priebe
2013-11-24  0:10               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2013-11-20 16:02           ` Howard Chu
2013-11-23 20:36             ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-23 23:01               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-24  0:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-24  1:03                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2013-11-24  2:43                   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-22 19:55         ` Stefan Priebe

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