From: Avi Kivity <avi@cloudius-systems.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi.kivity@gmail.com>,
"Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>,
"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:24:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5294BD21.4010701@cloudius-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131126150357.GA20352@redhat.com>
On 11/26/2013 05:03 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 11/26/2013 04:46 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> Il 26/11/2013 15:36, Avi Kivity ha scritto:
>>>> No, this would be exactly the same code that is running now:
>>>>
>>>> mutex_lock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>> old = kvm->irq_routing;
>>>> kvm_irq_routing_update(kvm, new);
>>>> mutex_unlock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>>
>>>> synchronize_rcu();
>>>> kfree(old);
>>>> return 0;
>>>>
>>>> Except that the kfree would run in the call_rcu kernel thread instead of
>>>> the vcpu thread. But the vcpus already see the new routing table after
>>>> the rcu_assign_pointer that is in kvm_irq_routing_update.
>>>>
>>>> I understood the proposal was also to eliminate the synchronize_rcu(),
>>>> so while new interrupts would see the new routing table, interrupts
>>>> already in flight could pick up the old one.
>>> Isn't that always the case with RCU? (See my answer above: "the vcpus
>>> already see the new routing table after the rcu_assign_pointer that is
>>> in kvm_irq_routing_update").
>> With synchronize_rcu(), you have the additional guarantee that any
>> parallel accesses to the old routing table have completed. Since we
>> also trigger the irq from rcu context, you know that after
>> synchronize_rcu() you won't get any interrupts to the old
>> destination (see kvm_set_irq_inatomic()).
> We do not have this guaranty for other vcpus that do not call
> synchronize_rcu(). They may still use outdated routing table while a vcpu
> or iothread that performed table update sits in synchronize_rcu().
>
Consider this guest code:
write msi entry, directing the interrupt away from this vcpu
nop
memset(&idt, 0, sizeof(idt));
Currently, this code will never trigger a triple fault. With the change
to call_rcu(), it may.
Now it may be that the guest does not expect this to work (PCI writes
are posted; and interrupts can be delayed indefinitely by the pci
fabric), but we don't know if there's a path that guarantees the guest
something that we're taking away with this change.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@cloudius-systems.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi.kivity@gmail.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:24:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5294BD21.4010701@cloudius-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131126150357.GA20352@redhat.com>
On 11/26/2013 05:03 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 11/26/2013 04:46 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> Il 26/11/2013 15:36, Avi Kivity ha scritto:
>>>> No, this would be exactly the same code that is running now:
>>>>
>>>> mutex_lock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>> old = kvm->irq_routing;
>>>> kvm_irq_routing_update(kvm, new);
>>>> mutex_unlock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>>
>>>> synchronize_rcu();
>>>> kfree(old);
>>>> return 0;
>>>>
>>>> Except that the kfree would run in the call_rcu kernel thread instead of
>>>> the vcpu thread. But the vcpus already see the new routing table after
>>>> the rcu_assign_pointer that is in kvm_irq_routing_update.
>>>>
>>>> I understood the proposal was also to eliminate the synchronize_rcu(),
>>>> so while new interrupts would see the new routing table, interrupts
>>>> already in flight could pick up the old one.
>>> Isn't that always the case with RCU? (See my answer above: "the vcpus
>>> already see the new routing table after the rcu_assign_pointer that is
>>> in kvm_irq_routing_update").
>> With synchronize_rcu(), you have the additional guarantee that any
>> parallel accesses to the old routing table have completed. Since we
>> also trigger the irq from rcu context, you know that after
>> synchronize_rcu() you won't get any interrupts to the old
>> destination (see kvm_set_irq_inatomic()).
> We do not have this guaranty for other vcpus that do not call
> synchronize_rcu(). They may still use outdated routing table while a vcpu
> or iothread that performed table update sits in synchronize_rcu().
>
Consider this guest code:
write msi entry, directing the interrupt away from this vcpu
nop
memset(&idt, 0, sizeof(idt));
Currently, this code will never trigger a triple fault. With the change
to call_rcu(), it may.
Now it may be that the guest does not expect this to work (PCI writes
are posted; and interrupts can be delayed indefinitely by the pci
fabric), but we don't know if there's a path that guarantees the guest
something that we're taking away with this change.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-26 15:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-26 12:40 [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:56 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 13:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 3:46 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 3:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:14 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-30 2:46 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-30 2:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 13:18 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:54 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:54 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:03 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:03 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:35 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:35 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:06 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:06 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:21 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:21 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:42 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:42 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:27 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:27 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:29 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:29 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 6:27 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 6:27 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:19 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:19 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 9:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:47 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:47 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:09 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:09 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:11 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:11 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:12 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:12 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:18 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:18 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:30 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:24 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2013-11-26 15:24 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 9:14 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 9:14 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 9:20 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:20 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
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