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From: Avi Kivity <avi@cloudius-systems.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi.kivity@gmail.com>,
	"Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>,
	"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
	Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:24:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5294BD21.4010701@cloudius-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131126150357.GA20352@redhat.com>

On 11/26/2013 05:03 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 11/26/2013 04:46 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> Il 26/11/2013 15:36, Avi Kivity ha scritto:
>>>>      No, this would be exactly the same code that is running now:
>>>>
>>>>              mutex_lock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>>              old = kvm->irq_routing;
>>>>              kvm_irq_routing_update(kvm, new);
>>>>              mutex_unlock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>>
>>>>              synchronize_rcu();
>>>>              kfree(old);
>>>>              return 0;
>>>>
>>>>      Except that the kfree would run in the call_rcu kernel thread instead of
>>>>      the vcpu thread.  But the vcpus already see the new routing table after
>>>>      the rcu_assign_pointer that is in kvm_irq_routing_update.
>>>>
>>>> I understood the proposal was also to eliminate the synchronize_rcu(),
>>>> so while new interrupts would see the new routing table, interrupts
>>>> already in flight could pick up the old one.
>>> Isn't that always the case with RCU?  (See my answer above: "the vcpus
>>> already see the new routing table after the rcu_assign_pointer that is
>>> in kvm_irq_routing_update").
>> With synchronize_rcu(), you have the additional guarantee that any
>> parallel accesses to the old routing table have completed.  Since we
>> also trigger the irq from rcu context, you know that after
>> synchronize_rcu() you won't get any interrupts to the old
>> destination (see kvm_set_irq_inatomic()).
> We do not have this guaranty for other vcpus that do not call
> synchronize_rcu(). They may still use outdated routing table while a vcpu
> or iothread that performed table update sits in synchronize_rcu().
>

Consider this guest code:

   write msi entry, directing the interrupt away from this vcpu
   nop
   memset(&idt, 0, sizeof(idt));

Currently, this code will never trigger a triple fault.  With the change 
to call_rcu(), it may.

Now it may be that the guest does not expect this to work (PCI writes 
are posted; and interrupts can be delayed indefinitely by the pci 
fabric), but we don't know if there's a path that guarantees the guest 
something that we're taking away with this change.




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From: Avi Kivity <avi@cloudius-systems.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
	Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi.kivity@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:24:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5294BD21.4010701@cloudius-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131126150357.GA20352@redhat.com>

On 11/26/2013 05:03 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 04:54:44PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 11/26/2013 04:46 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> Il 26/11/2013 15:36, Avi Kivity ha scritto:
>>>>      No, this would be exactly the same code that is running now:
>>>>
>>>>              mutex_lock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>>              old = kvm->irq_routing;
>>>>              kvm_irq_routing_update(kvm, new);
>>>>              mutex_unlock(&kvm->irq_lock);
>>>>
>>>>              synchronize_rcu();
>>>>              kfree(old);
>>>>              return 0;
>>>>
>>>>      Except that the kfree would run in the call_rcu kernel thread instead of
>>>>      the vcpu thread.  But the vcpus already see the new routing table after
>>>>      the rcu_assign_pointer that is in kvm_irq_routing_update.
>>>>
>>>> I understood the proposal was also to eliminate the synchronize_rcu(),
>>>> so while new interrupts would see the new routing table, interrupts
>>>> already in flight could pick up the old one.
>>> Isn't that always the case with RCU?  (See my answer above: "the vcpus
>>> already see the new routing table after the rcu_assign_pointer that is
>>> in kvm_irq_routing_update").
>> With synchronize_rcu(), you have the additional guarantee that any
>> parallel accesses to the old routing table have completed.  Since we
>> also trigger the irq from rcu context, you know that after
>> synchronize_rcu() you won't get any interrupts to the old
>> destination (see kvm_set_irq_inatomic()).
> We do not have this guaranty for other vcpus that do not call
> synchronize_rcu(). They may still use outdated routing table while a vcpu
> or iothread that performed table update sits in synchronize_rcu().
>

Consider this guest code:

   write msi entry, directing the interrupt away from this vcpu
   nop
   memset(&idt, 0, sizeof(idt));

Currently, this code will never trigger a triple fault.  With the change 
to call_rcu(), it may.

Now it may be that the guest does not expect this to work (PCI writes 
are posted; and interrupts can be delayed indefinitely by the pci 
fabric), but we don't know if there's a path that guarantees the guest 
something that we're taking away with this change.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-26 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-26 12:40 [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:47   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:56   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:56     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 13:13     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:13       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  3:46       ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  3:46         ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 16:05     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:05       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:14       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:14         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:24           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-30  2:46           ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-30  2:46             ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 13:18   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:18     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:47     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:47       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:36       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:36         ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:46           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:54           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:54             ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:03             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:03               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:20               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:20                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:25                 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:25                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:28                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:28                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:35                       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:58                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:58                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:06                         ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:06                           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:11                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:11                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:21                             ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:21                               ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:42                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:42                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:08                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:08                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:24                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:27                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:27                     ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:38                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:38                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:28                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:28                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:29                     ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:29                       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:37                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:37                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  6:27                 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  6:27                   ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  8:55                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  8:55                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  9:19                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:19                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:29                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  9:29                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  9:43                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:43                           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:49                       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28  9:49                         ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28  9:53                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  9:53                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:16                             ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:40                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:40                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:47                               ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:47                                 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:09                               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:09                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:10                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:10                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:16                                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:16                                     ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:23                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:23                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:31                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:31                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:33                                       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33                                         ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:11                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:11                           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:12                           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:12                             ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:02                             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:02                               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:18                               ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:18                                 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:22                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:22                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:30                                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:30                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:33                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:24               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2013-11-26 15:24                 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28  9:14                 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  9:14                   ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  9:20                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:20                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov

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