From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753268Ab3LTGWt (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 Dec 2013 01:22:49 -0500 Received: from youngberry.canonical.com ([91.189.89.112]:50419 "EHLO youngberry.canonical.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751397Ab3LTGWs (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 Dec 2013 01:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: <52B3E221.4000909@canonical.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:22:25 -0800 From: John Johansen Organization: Canonical User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Guy Briggs , Oleg Nesterov CC: Andrew Morton , "Eric W. Biederman" , Peter Zijlstra , Eric Paris , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] apparmor: remove the "task" arg from may_change_ptraced_domain() References: <20131218194338.GB23692@madcap2.tricolour.ca> <20131218201940.GA9694@redhat.com> <20131220043632.GA14884@madcap2.tricolour.ca> In-Reply-To: <20131220043632.GA14884@madcap2.tricolour.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 12/19/2013 08:36 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 13/12/18, Oleg Nesterov wrote: >> On 12/18, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >>> >>> Bcc: rgb@redhat.com >>> Subject: Re: [PATCH] apparmor: remove the "task" arg from >>> may_change_ptraced_domain() >>> Reply-To: >>> In-Reply-To: <20130926132519.GY13968@madcap2.tricolour.ca> >> >> The subject is empty ;) I changed it to match the above. > > HTH?!? Thanks for adding it. (more below...) > >>> On 13/09/26, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 06:44:42PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote: >>>>> On 09/23, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 04:20:35PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote: >>>>>>> Unless task == current ptrace_parent(task) is not safe even under >>>>>>> rcu_read_lock() and most of the current users are not right. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could you point to an explanation of this? >>>>> >>>>> If this task exits before rcu_read_lock() ->parent can point to the >>>>> already freed/reused memory. >>>> >>>> Ok, understood. So even though the task may have exited, the task >>>> struct pointer is still valid, but not the contents of the task struct >>>> to which it points. >>> >>> [The thread also relates to the patch >>> "pid: get ppid pid_t of task in init_pid_ns safely" >>> in which sys_getppid() (which appears safe) is replaced with something that >>> references the init_pid_ns rather than current's pid_ns.] >>> >>> So, in the general case, that call is not safe, and we should at least >>> remove the task_struct argument. >> >> I changed my mind, please see the recent discussion with Paul: >> >> http://marc.info/?t=138626281900001 >> >> instead we should document why ptrace_parent() is safe without pid_alive(). > > Interesting. I wasn't aware of pid_alive(), but that would certainly > help. > >> I hope that the change in apparmor was fine anyway. > > Yes, I'm fine with apparmor change, if it was deemed that the ppid > wasn't needed. If it is, then it should use this new task_ppid_nr(). it wasn't needed, changes where made years ago to allow us to get rid of using the parent pid. Its was left in for a transition period and just had never been removed. > Better yet I think to generalize it to anticipate auditd in containers. > yep, that is the way to go