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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Todd E Brandt <todd.e.brandt@linux.intel.com>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	SCSI development list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Disk spin-up optimization during system resume
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:49:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52D9976C.2010009@ubuntu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA9_cmcHpWOk_GoAZ_6k_0VDNGdac+BmHB1GxaTNkWNVjcztJQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On 1/17/2014 2:31 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> Once dpm_resume of the disk is asynchronous, is there much
> incremental gain by further deferring spin up?  The drawback of
> doing on-demand resume of the disk is that you incur the full
> resume latency right when you need the data.  System resume is a
> strong hint to warm the disks back up, and they will go back to
> sleep if unused.

It isn't a strong hint to warm the disks back up at all.  You *may*
access *a* disk soon after resume, then again, you may not.  Either
way, it isn't good to spin up *all* disks after a resume only to have
them stop again after a few minutes when they aren't accessed.  It
puts needless wear and tear on disks.

> Of course it reduces the power savings if dpm_suspend/resume is a 
> frequent occurrence.  However, are systems that make aggressive use
> of system suspend shipping with rotating media, or do they ship
> with disks that are cheap to resume?  If suspend is not frequent I
> wonder if it is worth the trouble/latency cost to keep the disk(s)
> asleep.

The vast majority of systems still use HDD; SSD isn't *that* popular.
 Also there is the power savings of leaving the disk in standby when
there is no need to "spin" it up, which while fast on an SSD, does
still increase power consumption and so should be avoided.

In any case, this will have no affect for most people since ATA disks
spin up on their own by default.  In my case, I have a backup disk
that I rarely access so I enabled power up in standby on the disk and
don't want the kernel starting and stopping it every time I resume.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-17 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-17 19:33 [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-07  1:53 ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 1/3] sd: don't bother spinning up disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-07 18:21     ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-11-07 21:16       ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-16 18:20         ` James Bottomley
2013-11-17  3:50           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-17  6:43             ` James Bottomley
2013-11-17 16:15               ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-17 23:54                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-11-18  1:06                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-18 15:54                     ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-20 14:23                       ` Mark Lord
2013-11-20 14:48                         ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-28  1:39                           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-18  0:09                 ` James Bottomley
2013-11-18  1:11                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-16  5:23       ` Mark Lord
2013-11-16 14:52         ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 2/3] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 3/3] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-09  1:20   ` [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-09 20:59     ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 0/6] Let sleeping disks lie Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03         ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: use sleep instead of standby command Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03         ` [PATCH 2/6] libata: avoid waking disk to check power Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:05           ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-09 21:03         ` [PATCH 3/6] sd: don't bother spinning up disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:08           ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-11 14:28             ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03         ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:10           ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-09 21:03         ` [PATCH 5/6] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03         ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: fake some more commands when drive is sleeping Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30         ` [PATCH 0/6] Let sleeping disks lie Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: use sleep instead of standby command Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 2/6] libata: avoid waking disk for several commands Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 3/6] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 22:26             ` Dan Williams
2014-01-11  2:25               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11  3:11                 ` Dan Williams
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 5/6] sd: don't start disks on system resume Phillip Susi
2013-12-17  6:43             ` James Bottomley
2013-12-17 15:01               ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 17:48                 ` James Bottomley
2013-12-17 18:30                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: return power status in REQUEST SENSE command Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 18:02             ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-12-17 18:35               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-06  2:14           ` REQ_PM vs REQ_TYPE_PM_RESUME Phillip Susi
2014-01-06  7:36             ` Sujit Reddy Thumma
2014-01-06  9:15               ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-06 14:40                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-06 15:38                   ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07  2:44                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:20                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 15:40                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:56                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 18:29                           ` Douglas Gilbert
2014-01-09 19:20                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10  5:23                               ` Douglas Gilbert
2014-01-10 14:29                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07  7:49                   ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-07 14:50                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  1:03                       ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  1:16                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  1:32                           ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  1:53                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  2:11                               ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  2:19                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  2:36                                   ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  5:24                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  7:00                                       ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08 19:30                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:25                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 15:43                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 16:08                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 16:37                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 18:05                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 18:43                               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 19:18                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 23:47                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 17:46                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 18:31                                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 20:44                                         ` Allow runtime suspend during system resume Alan Stern
2014-01-08 21:17                                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 21:34                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 10:14                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-01-09 15:41                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 22:55                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-08 23:24                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09  0:05                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 15:32                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 15:50                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 16:08                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 16:30                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 17:04                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-10  1:25                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-10  1:55                                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 13:35                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-10 14:46                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 15:25                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-10 23:02                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-11  2:08                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11 22:50                                                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-12  1:50                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11 22:34                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 20:20                                       ` REQ_PM vs REQ_TYPE_PM_RESUME Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 21:21                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 21:50                                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09  1:29                                           ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-09 12:17                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 13:18                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 15:40                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 15:53                                               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 16:14                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 16:34                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 17:06                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-16 16:59                                                 ` Disk spin-up optimization during system resume Alan Stern
2014-01-16 18:04                                                   ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-16 18:33                                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 20:05                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-16 22:04                                                       ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-17 14:57                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 19:31                                                           ` Dan Williams
2014-01-17 20:15                                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 20:24                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 20:55                                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18 14:04                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-18  1:36                                                                 ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-18  1:41                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-18  2:15                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18  2:33                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-18  3:24                                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18 13:59                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 20:49                                                             ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2014-01-17 22:17                                                               ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18  3:18                                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18  4:09                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18 14:08                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 10:12                                                                       ` Dan Williams
2014-01-21 14:37                                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-21 16:03                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 16:18                                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-21 16:49                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 15:44                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 16:18                                                                           ` Dan Williams
2014-01-21 16:55                                                                             ` Dan Williams
2014-01-20 12:38                                                                     ` CrashPlan Pro
2014-01-20 14:30                                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18  1:24                                                           ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-18  3:20                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 18:39                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 20:08                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 10:16                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2014-01-17 10:21                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 18:18                                                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 18:39                                                       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-17 19:07                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-11-11 16:59       ` [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-11 17:08         ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 12:15           ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-17 14:24             ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-27 16:18 ` Phillip Susi

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