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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Carlos Maiolino <cmaiolino@redhat.com>,
	Albert Chen <Albert.Chen@wdc.com>
Cc: "lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	James Borden <James.Borden@wdc.com>,
	Jim Malina <Jim.Malina@wdc.com>,
	Curtis Stevens <curtis.stevens@wdc.com>,
	"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] SMR: Disrupting recording technology meriting a new class of storage device
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:46:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52F4E3AC.9060309@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140207130014.GA5078@localhost.localdomain>

On 02/07/2014 02:00 PM, Carlos Maiolino wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 02:24:33AM +0000, Albert Chen wrote:
>> [LSF/MM TOPIC] SMR: Disrupting recording technology meriting
>> a new class of storage device
>>
>> Shingle Magnetic Recording is a disruptive technology that
>> delivers the next areal density gain for the HDD industry by
>> partially overlapping tracks. Shingling requires physical
>> writes to be sequential, and opens the question of how to
>> address this behavior at a system level. Two general approaches
>> contemplated are to either to do the block management in
>> the device or in the host storage stack/file system through
>> Zone Block Commands (ZBC).
>>
>> The use of ZBC to handle SMR block management yields several
>> benefits such as:
>> - Predictable performance and latency
>> - Faster development time
>> - Access to application and system level semantic information
>> - Scalability / Fewer Drive Resources
>> - Higher reliability
>>
>> Essential to a host managed approach (ZBC) is the openness of
>> Linux and its community is a good place for WD to validate and
>> seek feedback for our thinking - where in the Linux system stack
>> is the best place to add ZBC handling? at the Device Mapper layer?
>> or somewhere else in the storage stack? New ideas and comments
>> are appreciated.
> 
> If you add ZBC handling into the device-mapper layer, aren't you supposing that
> all SMR devices will be managed by device-mapper? This doesn't look right IMHO.
> These devices should be able to be managed via DM or either directly via de
> storage layer. And any other layers making use of these devices (like DM for
> example) should be able to communicate with them and send ZBC commands as
> needed.
> 
Precisely. Adding a new device type (and a new ULD to the SCSI
midlayer) seems to be the right idea here.
Then we could think of how to integrate this into the block layer;
eg we could identify the zones with partitions,
or mirror the zones via block_limits.

There is actually a good chance that we can tweak btrfs to
run unmodified on such a disk; after all, sequential writes
are not a big deal for btrfs. The only issue we might have
is that we might need to re-allocate blocks to free up zones.
But some btrfs developers have assured me this shouldn't be too hard.

Personally I don't like the idea of _having_ to use a device-mapper
module for these things. What I would like is giving the user a
choice; if there are specialized fs around which can deal with such
a disk (hello, ltfs :-) then fine. If not of course we should be
having a device-mapper module to hide the grubby details for
unsuspecting filesystems.

Cheers,

Hannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-07 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-01  2:24 [LSF/MM TOPIC] SMR: Disrupting recording technology meriting a new class of storage device Albert Chen
2014-02-07 13:00 ` Carlos Maiolino
2014-02-07 13:46   ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2014-02-07 17:32     ` Jim Malina
2014-02-11 11:57       ` Carlos Maiolino
2014-02-13 22:18         ` [Lsf-pc] " Theodore Ts'o

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