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From: "Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: GILR@il.ibm.com, SADEKJ@il.ibm.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	quintela@redhat.com, abali@us.ibm.com, EREZH@il.ibm.com,
	owasserm@redhat.com, onom@us.ibm.com, hinesmr@cn.ibm.com,
	isaku.yamahata@gmail.com, gokul@us.ibm.com, dbulkow@gmail.com,
	junqing.wang@cs2c.com.cn, BIRAN@il.ibm.com,
	lig.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com, "Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 11/12] mc: introduce new capabilities to control micro-checkpointing
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:38:38 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <533E293E.5090305@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <531F86D6.4080204@redhat.com>

On 03/12/2014 05:57 AM, Eric Blake wrote:
> ---
>   qapi-schema.json | 36 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>   1 file changed, 35 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
>> +#          Only for performance testing. (Since 2.x)
>> +#
>> +# @mc-rdma-copy: MC requires creating a local-memory checkpoint before
>> +#          transmission to the destination. This requires heavy use of
>> +#          memcpy() which dominates the processor pipeline. This option
>> +#          makes use of *local* RDMA to perform the copy instead of the CPU.
>> +#          Enabled by default only if the migration transport is RDMA.
>> +#          Disabled by default otherwise. (Since 2.x)
> How does that work?  If I query migration capabilities before requesting
> a migration, what state am I going to read?  Is there coupling where I
> would observe the state of this flag change merely because I did some
> other action?  And if so, then how do I know that explicitly setting
> this flag won't be undone by similar coupling?
>
> It sounds like you are describing a tri-state option (unspecified so
> default to migration transport, explicitly disabled, explicitly
> enabled); but that doesn't work for something that only lists boolean
> capabilities.  The only way around that is to have 2 separate
> capabilities (one on whether to base decision on transport or to honor
> override, and the other to provide the override value which is ignored
> when defaulting by transport).

Yes, now that I think about it, this 'tri-state' possibility is indeed
confusing to the management software. I'll stop this behavior
and instead require that it be manually enabled when needed.

>> +#
>> +# @rdma-keepalive: RDMA connections do not timeout by themselves if a peer
>> +#         has disconnected prematurely or failed. User-level keepalives
>> +#         allow the migration to abort cleanly if there is a problem with the
>> +#         destination host. For debugging, this can be problematic as
>> +#         the keepalive may cause the peer to abort prematurely if we are
>> +#         at a GDB breakpoint, for example.
>> +#         Enabled by default. (Since 2.x)
> Enabled-by-default is an interesting choice, but I suppose it is okay.

I'll rename the command to "rdma-disable-keepalive" and change
the default to "disabled".

- Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-04  3:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-18  8:50 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] mc: fault tolerante through micro-checkpointing mrhines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 01/12] mc: add documentation for micro-checkpointing mrhines
2014-02-18 12:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-02-19  1:40     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-19 11:27       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-02-20  1:17         ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-20 10:09           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-02-20 11:14             ` Li Guang
2014-02-20 14:58               ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-20 14:57             ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-20 16:32               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-02-21  4:54                 ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-21  9:44                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-03-03  6:08                     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 02/12] mc: timestamp migration_bitmap and KVM logdirty usage mrhines
2014-02-18 10:32   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-02-19  1:42     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-03-11 21:31   ` Juan Quintela
2014-04-04  3:08     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 03/12] mc: introduce a 'checkpointing' status check into the VCPU states mrhines
2014-03-11 21:36   ` Juan Quintela
2014-04-04  3:11     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-03-11 21:40   ` Eric Blake
2014-04-04  3:12     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 04/12] mc: support custom page loading and copying mrhines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 05/12] rdma: accelerated memcpy() support and better external RDMA user interfaces mrhines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 06/12] mc: introduce state machine changes for MC mrhines
2014-02-19  1:00   ` Li Guang
2014-02-19  2:14     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-20  5:03     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-21  8:13     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-24  6:48       ` Li Guang
2014-02-26  2:52         ` Li Guang
2014-03-11 21:57   ` Juan Quintela
2014-04-04  3:50     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 07/12] mc: introduce additional QMP statistics for micro-checkpointing mrhines
2014-03-11 21:45   ` Eric Blake
2014-04-04  3:15     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-04-04  4:22       ` Eric Blake
2014-03-11 21:59   ` Juan Quintela
2014-04-04  3:55     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 08/12] mc: core logic mrhines
2014-02-19  1:07   ` Li Guang
2014-02-19  2:16     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-19  2:53       ` Li Guang
2014-02-19  4:27         ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 09/12] mc: configure and makefile support mrhines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 10/12] mc: expose tunable parameter for checkpointing frequency mrhines
2014-03-11 21:49   ` Eric Blake
2014-03-11 22:15     ` Juan Quintela
2014-03-11 22:49       ` Eric Blake
2014-04-04  5:29         ` Michael R. Hines
2014-04-04 14:56           ` Eric Blake
2014-04-11  6:10             ` Michael R. Hines
2014-04-04 16:28           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-04-04 16:35             ` Eric Blake
2014-04-04  3:29     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 11/12] mc: introduce new capabilities to control micro-checkpointing mrhines
2014-03-11 21:57   ` Eric Blake
2014-04-04  3:38     ` Michael R. Hines [this message]
2014-04-04  4:25       ` Eric Blake
2014-03-11 22:02   ` Juan Quintela
2014-03-11 22:07     ` Eric Blake
2014-04-04  3:57       ` Michael R. Hines
2014-04-04  3:56     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-02-18  8:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 12/12] mc: activate and use MC if requested mrhines
2014-02-18  9:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] mc: fault tolerante through micro-checkpointing Li Guang
2014-02-19  1:29   ` Michael R. Hines

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