From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Dirty/Access bits vs. page content
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:50:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5359CD7C.5020604@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyO+-GehPiOAPy7-N0ejFrsNupWHG+j5hAs=R=RuPQtDg@mail.gmail.com>
On 04/24/2014 07:46 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:37 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> The flip side is that we do a lot more IPIs for large invalidates,
>>> since we drop the PTL on every page table page.
>>
>> Oh I missed that your patch was smart enough to only do that in the
>> presence of non-anonymous dirty pages. That should take care of the
>> common case of short lived programs, those should still fit in a
>> single big batch.
>
> Right. It only causes extra TLB shootdowns for dirty shared mappings.
>
> Which, let's face it, don't actually ever happen. Using mmap to write
> to files is actually very rare, because it really sucks in just about
> all possible ways. There are almost no loads where it's not better to
> just use a "write()" system call instead.
>
> So the dirty shared mapping case _exists_, but it's pretty darn
> unusual. The case where you have lots of mmap/munmap activity is even
> less unusual. I suspect the most common case is for stress-testing the
> VM, because nobody sane does it for an actual real load.
>
The cases where they occur the mappings tend to be highly stable, i.e.
map once *specifically* to be able to do a whole bunch of things without
system calls, and then unmap when done.
-hpa
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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Dirty/Access bits vs. page content
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:50:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5359CD7C.5020604@zytor.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20140425025036.yxlc490m3O4C8R5ewmuAsu5EnG0PtvdepD7QmTIbg7w@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyO+-GehPiOAPy7-N0ejFrsNupWHG+j5hAs=R=RuPQtDg@mail.gmail.com>
On 04/24/2014 07:46 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:37 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> The flip side is that we do a lot more IPIs for large invalidates,
>>> since we drop the PTL on every page table page.
>>
>> Oh I missed that your patch was smart enough to only do that in the
>> presence of non-anonymous dirty pages. That should take care of the
>> common case of short lived programs, those should still fit in a
>> single big batch.
>
> Right. It only causes extra TLB shootdowns for dirty shared mappings.
>
> Which, let's face it, don't actually ever happen. Using mmap to write
> to files is actually very rare, because it really sucks in just about
> all possible ways. There are almost no loads where it's not better to
> just use a "write()" system call instead.
>
> So the dirty shared mapping case _exists_, but it's pretty darn
> unusual. The case where you have lots of mmap/munmap activity is even
> less unusual. I suspect the most common case is for stress-testing the
> VM, because nobody sane does it for an actual real load.
>
The cases where they occur the mappings tend to be highly stable, i.e.
map once *specifically* to be able to do a whole bunch of things without
system calls, and then unmap when done.
-hpa
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Dirty/Access bits vs. page content
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:50:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5359CD7C.5020604@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyO+-GehPiOAPy7-N0ejFrsNupWHG+j5hAs=R=RuPQtDg@mail.gmail.com>
On 04/24/2014 07:46 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:37 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> The flip side is that we do a lot more IPIs for large invalidates,
>>> since we drop the PTL on every page table page.
>>
>> Oh I missed that your patch was smart enough to only do that in the
>> presence of non-anonymous dirty pages. That should take care of the
>> common case of short lived programs, those should still fit in a
>> single big batch.
>
> Right. It only causes extra TLB shootdowns for dirty shared mappings.
>
> Which, let's face it, don't actually ever happen. Using mmap to write
> to files is actually very rare, because it really sucks in just about
> all possible ways. There are almost no loads where it's not better to
> just use a "write()" system call instead.
>
> So the dirty shared mapping case _exists_, but it's pretty darn
> unusual. The case where you have lots of mmap/munmap activity is even
> less unusual. I suspect the most common case is for stress-testing the
> VM, because nobody sane does it for an actual real load.
>
The cases where they occur the mappings tend to be highly stable, i.e.
map once *specifically* to be able to do a whole bunch of things without
system calls, and then unmap when done.
-hpa
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2014-04-21 22:29 ` Dirty/Access bits vs. page content Linus Torvalds
2014-04-21 22:44 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-22 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 5:15 ` Tony Luck
2014-04-22 5:15 ` Tony Luck
2014-04-22 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 7:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 7:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 7:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 7:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 21:46 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-22 21:46 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-22 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 22:41 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-22 22:41 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-23 2:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23 2:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23 3:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-23 3:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-23 3:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-23 4:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23 4:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23 6:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-23 6:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-23 18:41 ` Jan Kara
2014-04-23 18:41 ` Jan Kara
2014-04-23 19:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-24 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-24 18:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 18:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24 20:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 20:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 23:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 1:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 1:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 2:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 2:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 2:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 2:50 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2014-04-25 2:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-25 2:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-25 3:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 3:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 12:01 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 12:01 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-25 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-25 19:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 19:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26 18:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-26 18:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 7:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 7:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 12:20 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-27 12:20 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-27 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 19:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 19:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 20:09 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-27 20:09 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-28 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-28 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-28 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-28 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 23:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 16:54 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 16:54 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 16:54 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 18:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 18:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 22:00 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 22:00 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 22:00 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-26 3:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26 3:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26 3:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-26 3:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 19:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 19:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 16:30 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 16:30 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 16:30 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-23 20:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-23 20:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 8:49 ` Jan Kara
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