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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
	Sarah Sharp <sarah@minilop.net>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 15:32:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5364EFD5.10603@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140502193314.GA24108@thunk.org>

On 05/02/2014 09:33 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> There's been a huge focus on system calls in this discussion, and I
> suspect this is a bit of a red herring.  Taking a look at "git log
> arch/x86/syscalls/syscall_64.tbl" --- since all the world's is no
> longer a Vax, but rather an x86_64 :-P --- there really hasn't been
> that many new system calls lately.  Yes, we recently added
> renameat(2), but the next addition was half a year earlier, when the
> new schedular parameters syscalls went in.

A minor correction: that wasn't 6 months ago -- it was 3.14, released 
at the end of March, that added sched_getattr() and sched_setattr().

> There's much more in the way of kernel functionality and complexity
> which isn't really syscall related --- for example, all of the control
> group stuff, and security hair caused by things like user namespaces,
> and new fallocate(2) modes --- we've added PUNCH_HOLE, COLLAPSE_RANGE,
> and ZERO_RANGE, and there are threats to add INSERT_RANGE in the next
> release or two.

Yes, that's a much bigger part of the growing surface. (Just by the 
bye, I try to track the growth of the surface at 
http://man7.org/tlpi/api_changes/ . Corrections and additions are 
welcome. It's reasonably complete with respect to system calls, 
partially complete on /proc and socket options, and rather out to 
lunch on other pieces such as /sys and other pseudo filesystems

Cheers,

Michael


-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-03 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02 16:44 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions Josh Triplett
2014-05-02 17:11 ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 17:20   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 17:33     ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 17:46       ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 18:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-02 19:02           ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 19:03           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-02 19:33             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-02 19:38               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 19:49               ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 20:06                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:41                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-02 21:01                   ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 21:19                     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 21:23                       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 21:36                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 21:27                       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 21:39                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 22:35                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-06 17:18                             ` josh
2014-05-06 17:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09 18:22                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-09 20:37                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09 22:50                                     ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-10  0:23                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-10  0:38                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-10  3:44                                         ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-03 17:30                           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 21:56                     ` tytso
2014-05-02 20:45                 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-02 21:03                   ` Dave Jones
2014-05-03 13:37                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 13:35                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 13:32               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2014-05-02 19:03       ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 19:45         ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-02 21:03           ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 21:08             ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 21:14               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-02 21:21               ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-02 21:38                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-03  1:21               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-07 12:35             ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-09 15:51               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 17:33     ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-02 17:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-07 11:32     ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-07 16:38       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 22:04   ` Jan Kara
2014-05-05 23:45   ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-06  2:14     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-09 16:22   ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-09 16:59     ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-09 17:23       ` josh
2014-05-08 15:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-12 17:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-13 16:36 ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-13 18:00   ` josh
2014-05-14  1:04   ` Julia Lawall
2014-08-17  9:45 ` [Ksummit-discuss] tiny.wiki.kernel.org Josh Triplett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-08 16:24 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09  0:31 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09 14:48   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 16:24     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 16:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 17:21         ` josh
2014-05-09 17:42         ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09 17:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 18:32             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 19:02               ` Julia Lawall
2014-05-09 20:31                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 17:52           ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-05-12 18:06         ` Dave Hansen
2014-05-12 20:20           ` Roland Dreier
2014-05-14  2:37   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-15 19:41     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-15 20:00       ` Greg KH
2014-05-15 20:29         ` Guenter Roeck

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