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From: Olivier MATZ <olivier.matz-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: "Ananyev,
	Konstantin"
	<konstantin.ananyev-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org"
	<dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] atomic: clarify use of memory barriers
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 14:12:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <537B46B4.4000202@6wind.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB9772580EFA776F-kPTMFJFq+rEu0RiL9chJVbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

Hi Konstantin,

Thank you for your review and feedback.

On 05/20/2014 12:05 PM, Ananyev, Konstantin wrote:
>> Note that on x86 CPUs, memory barriers between different cores can be guaranteed by a simple compiler barrier.
>
> I don't think this is totally correct.
> Yes, for  Intel cpus in many cases memory barrier could be avoided due to nearly strict memory ordering.
> Though there are few cases where reordering is possible and when fence instructions would be needed.

I tried to mimic the behavior of linux that differentiates *mb() from
smp_*mb(), but I did too fast. In linux, we have [1]:

   smp_mb() = mb() = asm volatile("mfence":::"memory")
   smp_rmb() = compiler_barrier()
   smp_wmb() = compiler_barrier()

At least this should fixed in the patch. By the way, just for reference,
the idea of the patch came from a discussion we had on the list [2].

> For me:
> +#define	rte_smp_rmb() rte_compiler_barrier()
> Seems a bit misleading, as there is no real fence.
> So I suggest we keep rte_compiler_barrier() naming and usage.

The objectives of the patch (which was probably not explained very
clearly in the commit log) were:
- make the code more readable to distinguish between the 2 kinds of
   memory barrier.
- optimize some code to avoid a real memory barrier when not required
   (timers, virtio, ...)

Having a compiler barrier in place of a memory barrier in the code
does not really help to understand what the developper wanted to do.
In the current code we can see that the use of rte_compiler_barrier()
is ambiguous, as it need a comment to clarify the situation:

	rte_compiler_barrier();   /* rmb */

Don't you think we could fix the patch but keep its logic?

Regards,
Olivier

[1] http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/arch/x86/include/asm/barrier.h#L81
[2] http://dpdk.org/ml/archives/dev/2014-March/001741.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-20 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-20  9:36 [PATCH] atomic: clarify use of memory barriers Olivier Matz
     [not found] ` <1400578588-21137-1-git-send-email-olivier.matz-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-20 10:05   ` Ananyev, Konstantin
     [not found]     ` <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB9772580EFA776F-kPTMFJFq+rEu0RiL9chJVbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-20 12:12       ` Olivier MATZ [this message]
     [not found]         ` <537B46B4.4000202-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-20 16:35           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2014-05-23 14:10       ` Olivier MATZ
     [not found]         ` <537F56C3.3060503-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-26 13:57           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
     [not found]             ` <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB9772580EFB0A95-kPTMFJFq+rEu0RiL9chJVbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-26 14:20               ` Olivier MATZ

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