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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] shmem: fix faulting into a hole while it's punched, take 3
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:10:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53C7F55B.8030307@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1407150247540.2584@eggly.anvils>

On 07/15/2014 12:28 PM, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> In the end I decided that we had better look at it as two problems,
> the trinity faulting starvation, and the indefinite punching loop,
> so 1/2 and 2/2 present both solutions: belt and braces.

I tested that with my reproducer and it was OK, but as I already said, 
it's not trinity so I didn't observe the new problems in the first place.

> Which may be the best for fixing, but the worst for ease of backporting.
> Vlastimil, I have prepared (and lightly tested) a 3.2.61-based version
> of the combination of f00cdc6df7d7 and 1/2 and 2/2 (basically, I moved
> vmtruncate_range from mm/truncate.c to mm/shmem.c, since nothing but
> shmem ever implemented the truncate_range method).  It should give a

I don't know how much stable kernel updates are supposed to care about 
out-of-tree modules, but doesn't the change mean that an out-of-tree FS 
supporting truncate_range (if such thing exists) would effectively stop 
supporting madvise(MADV_REMOVE) after this change? But hey it's still 
madvise so maybe we don't need to care. And I suppose kernels where 
FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE is supported, can be backported normally.

> good hint for backports earlier and later: I'll send it privately to
> you now, but keep in mind that it may need to be revised if today's
> patches for 3.16 get revised again (I'll send it to Ben Hutchings
> only when that's settled).
>
> Thanks,
> Hugh
>

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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] shmem: fix faulting into a hole while it's punched, take 3
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:10:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53C7F55B.8030307@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1407150247540.2584@eggly.anvils>

On 07/15/2014 12:28 PM, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> In the end I decided that we had better look at it as two problems,
> the trinity faulting starvation, and the indefinite punching loop,
> so 1/2 and 2/2 present both solutions: belt and braces.

I tested that with my reproducer and it was OK, but as I already said, 
it's not trinity so I didn't observe the new problems in the first place.

> Which may be the best for fixing, but the worst for ease of backporting.
> Vlastimil, I have prepared (and lightly tested) a 3.2.61-based version
> of the combination of f00cdc6df7d7 and 1/2 and 2/2 (basically, I moved
> vmtruncate_range from mm/truncate.c to mm/shmem.c, since nothing but
> shmem ever implemented the truncate_range method).  It should give a

I don't know how much stable kernel updates are supposed to care about 
out-of-tree modules, but doesn't the change mean that an out-of-tree FS 
supporting truncate_range (if such thing exists) would effectively stop 
supporting madvise(MADV_REMOVE) after this change? But hey it's still 
madvise so maybe we don't need to care. And I suppose kernels where 
FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE is supported, can be backported normally.

> good hint for backports earlier and later: I'll send it privately to
> you now, but keep in mind that it may need to be revised if today's
> patches for 3.16 get revised again (I'll send it to Ben Hutchings
> only when that's settled).
>
> Thanks,
> Hugh
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-17 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-15 10:28 [PATCH 0/2] shmem: fix faulting into a hole while it's punched, take 3 Hugh Dickins
2014-07-15 10:28 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-15 10:31 ` [PATCH 1/2] shmem: fix faulting into a hole, not taking i_mutex Hugh Dickins
2014-07-15 10:31   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-15 16:07   ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-15 16:07     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-15 19:26     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-15 19:26       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-16  7:18       ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-16  7:18         ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-25 14:25   ` Michal Hocko
2014-07-25 14:25     ` Michal Hocko
2014-07-15 10:33 ` [PATCH 2/2] shmem: fix splicing from a hole while it's punched Hugh Dickins
2014-07-15 10:33   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-25 14:33   ` Michal Hocko
2014-07-25 14:33     ` Michal Hocko
2014-07-17 16:10 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2014-07-17 16:10   ` [PATCH 0/2] shmem: fix faulting into a hole while it's punched, take 3 Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-17 16:12   ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-17 16:12     ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-18 10:44     ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-18 10:44       ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-19 23:44       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 23:44         ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-22  3:24         ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-22  3:24           ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-22  8:07           ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-22  8:07             ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-22 10:06             ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-22 10:06               ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-22 12:09               ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-22 12:09                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-22 18:42                 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-22 18:42                   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-22 23:19             ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-22 23:19               ` Sasha Levin
2014-07-22 23:58               ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-22 23:58                 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-17 23:34   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-17 23:34     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-18  8:05     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-18  8:05       ` Vlastimil Babka

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