From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix, from userid 118) id 13F7FE004FF; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on yocto-www.yoctoproject.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-HAM-Report: * -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low * trust * [209.85.192.178 listed in list.dnswl.org] * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2713CE0034C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w10so10006720pde.9 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y+bAhVaYCBPd4oO/4hL+gt3wdcK4YnZDqTv12cztcng=; b=iT7W0+v1YQ5QDo7WEy4DZvsvfHT7GaWE2KjQN6b2qMuu4+oVKeHnyjQ0YszN1MXCrU 9YAzsJmFmcqa445LdmM0yONzadSPfaL25iHrfWPzqHK1ATpqsPTc/DHNhhG1a1nMJ8GJ iMpHKJ0RS8QfhQF1FjyEfrVXs9jZUGRWSRqFkgC/SsZkVMkCNqafnTKR5Q5MWYFm5nfU oCW6+yoHA+zgEYoewVkGfz2/6h0/v8IrMr8yfgQ3svmhFdYy9kBqT5+v/EmuSsVDd81y GsMvyAgSFFUyLlurag2lokqYt7jZlHju5pUzxfoiqzxEH5/8MPL27EEC8cZJYfTRgQNl oCow== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQldA9gzfPmaMIl2vTFgQxsO0UIg/NSN0nEMYcd0iIYuSvj4eJuvWbHAKEzk3v6zQSeaOXcR X-Received: by 10.68.243.70 with SMTP id ww6mr45187608pbc.3.1408465362725; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([63.226.49.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ey1sm70776906pab.19.2014.08.19.09.22.40 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53F379CC.9050003@boundarydevices.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:22:36 -0700 From: Eric Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos Rafael Giani , Otavio Salvador , Lauren Post References: <8f1e8166115a4a4381ded78a5536c001@BY2PR03MB379.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <23db6296a5b24ce3accdde41476d7d6d@DM2PR0301MB0701.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53F3738E.4040902@boundarydevices.com> <53F374C8.6090201@pseudoterminal.org> In-Reply-To: <53F374C8.6090201@pseudoterminal.org> Cc: "meta-freescale@yoctoproject.org" Subject: Re: i.MX 3.10.31-1.1.0_beta release - community feedback requested X-BeenThere: meta-freescale@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Usage and development list for the meta-fsl-* layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:22:55 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Otavio, On 08/19/2014 09:01 AM, Carlos Rafael Giani wrote: > Well, of course Freescale is interested in option 2, since it helps with > their kernel development :) > Which is a good thing! > But think about it this way: > > you are a customer, and are using the beta kernel, because that's what > is in Yocto Project 1.7. Something goes wrong. You contact your > Freescale FAE. Response: "we can't help you, because you are using an > unsupported kernel". This is the main problem. Not necessarily the > stability of the beta kernel, but the lack of Freescale support. > My experience is that getting support on the latest is easier, since that's where developers tend to live. When Freescale is asked to investigate a bug, they will likely ask that it be reproduced on Freescale hardware and using a Freescale supplied kernel and userspace (i.e. not from the Community BSP). For users of other hardware and kernels (i.e. most of the world), these tend to be the biggest hurdles. By placing the latest (-beta) kernel in master-next now and master in October, we're placing a big hurdle on adoption of 3.10.31. Breakage is common in master and this generally has nothing to do with the kernel or Freescale bits. This is clearly all gray area, and these are just my 2c. Regards, Eric