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From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Andrew Bresticker <abrestic-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	"Dylan Reid" <dgreid-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Thierry Reding"
	<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	"Olof Johansson" <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ARM: tegra: add Acer Chromebook 13 device tree
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:47:41 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53F3C5FD.4050808@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1qeaFnfLDOXq07fY4xLfdRpG8FQ63ya+-0Hk+ewA1wXkLOLw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 08/18/2014 06:11 PM, Andrew Bresticker wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+WeqIh2JisoIxyg@public.gmane.orgg> wrote:
>> On 08/18/2014 05:24 PM, Andrew Bresticker wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/16/2014 09:20 AM, Andreas Färber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.08.2014 21:14, schrieb Dylan Reid:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Acer Chromebook 13, codenamed Big, contains an NVIDIA tegra124
>>>>>> processor and is similar to the Venice2 reference platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The keyboard, USB 2, audio, HDMI, sdcard, and emmc have been tested
>>>>>> and work on the 1266x768 models.  The HD models haven't yet been
>>>>>> tested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WiFi does not work yet, it needs at least some PMIC changes to enable
>>>>>> the 32k clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The elan trackpad is not yet functional but hopefully will be soon as
>>>>>> there are patches under review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also an issue on reboot because the TPM isn't reset.  It will
>>>>>> cause the stock firmware to enter recovery mode.  This can be worked
>>>>>> around by an EC-reset, press the refresh and power keys at the same
>>>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra124-nyan-big.dts
>>>>>> b/arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra124-nyan-big.dts
>>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>>> index 0000000..79f1852
>>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>>> +++ b/arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra124-nyan-big.dts
>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,1136 @@
>>>>>> +/dts-v1/;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +#include <dt-bindings/input/input.h>
>>>>>> +#include "tegra124.dtsi"
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +/ {
>>>>>> +       model = "Acer Chromebook 13";
>>>>>> +       compatible = "google,nyan-big", "nvidia,tegra124";
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In light of v1 and the above commit message referring to this as Google
>>>>> Big, shouldn't this be "google,big", "nvidia,tegra124" and optionally
>>>>> "google,nyan" as secondary string, independent of the new file name?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Despite this board having been derived from Nyan, it isn't Nyan, so I
>>>> don't
>>>> think Nyan should be part of any compatible value, nor a separate
>>>> compatible
>>>> value.
>>>
>>>
>>> "google,nyan-big" is the compatible string that the bootloader on
>>> these devices looks for.  It's also the convention we are now using
>>> for our ARM devices, as Olof has already mentioned.
>>
>> I don't understand "that the bootloader looks for"; why is the bootloader
>> doing anything w.r.t the compatible value in the DT that's passed to the
>> kernel.
>
> The ChromeOS bootloader ("depthcharge") boots FIT images and selects
> the appropriate device-tree from the image based on the compatible
> string.  On Big boards, it looks for "google,nyan-big".  This only
> becomes an issue if there are multiple device-trees in the FIT image.
> If there's only a single configuration (or you chain-load U-Boot),
> then the bootloader will boot with that configuration.  If you build a
> kernel image in the ChromiumOS environment, however, you'll end up
> with multiple device-trees (all those built by the kernel config at
> least) in the FIT image - this is what allows us to boot the same
> binary on different boards.

This just makes me dislike FIT (and DT ABIs) even more, although I 
suppose the same issue would arise if the DTBs were stored in separate 
files and looked up by filename.

I have to say this sucks, because it means that a downstream bootloader 
is imposing an ABI on the mainline kernel without a chance to fix things 
during upstreaming. For all other boards, we've concentrated on mainline 
U-Boot as the bootloader precisely so that strange behaviour of our 
downstream product kernels don't force the hand of the mainline kernel 
design.

Still, I suppose I have no choice but to drop my objection here.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: swarren@wwwdotorg.org (Stephen Warren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2] ARM: tegra: add Acer Chromebook 13 device tree
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:47:41 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53F3C5FD.4050808@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1qeaFnfLDOXq07fY4xLfdRpG8FQ63ya+-0Hk+ewA1wXkLOLw@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/18/2014 06:11 PM, Andrew Bresticker wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org> wrote:
>> On 08/18/2014 05:24 PM, Andrew Bresticker wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/16/2014 09:20 AM, Andreas F?rber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.08.2014 21:14, schrieb Dylan Reid:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Acer Chromebook 13, codenamed Big, contains an NVIDIA tegra124
>>>>>> processor and is similar to the Venice2 reference platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The keyboard, USB 2, audio, HDMI, sdcard, and emmc have been tested
>>>>>> and work on the 1266x768 models.  The HD models haven't yet been
>>>>>> tested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WiFi does not work yet, it needs at least some PMIC changes to enable
>>>>>> the 32k clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The elan trackpad is not yet functional but hopefully will be soon as
>>>>>> there are patches under review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also an issue on reboot because the TPM isn't reset.  It will
>>>>>> cause the stock firmware to enter recovery mode.  This can be worked
>>>>>> around by an EC-reset, press the refresh and power keys at the same
>>>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra124-nyan-big.dts
>>>>>> b/arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra124-nyan-big.dts
>>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>>> index 0000000..79f1852
>>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>>> +++ b/arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra124-nyan-big.dts
>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,1136 @@
>>>>>> +/dts-v1/;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +#include <dt-bindings/input/input.h>
>>>>>> +#include "tegra124.dtsi"
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +/ {
>>>>>> +       model = "Acer Chromebook 13";
>>>>>> +       compatible = "google,nyan-big", "nvidia,tegra124";
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In light of v1 and the above commit message referring to this as Google
>>>>> Big, shouldn't this be "google,big", "nvidia,tegra124" and optionally
>>>>> "google,nyan" as secondary string, independent of the new file name?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Despite this board having been derived from Nyan, it isn't Nyan, so I
>>>> don't
>>>> think Nyan should be part of any compatible value, nor a separate
>>>> compatible
>>>> value.
>>>
>>>
>>> "google,nyan-big" is the compatible string that the bootloader on
>>> these devices looks for.  It's also the convention we are now using
>>> for our ARM devices, as Olof has already mentioned.
>>
>> I don't understand "that the bootloader looks for"; why is the bootloader
>> doing anything w.r.t the compatible value in the DT that's passed to the
>> kernel.
>
> The ChromeOS bootloader ("depthcharge") boots FIT images and selects
> the appropriate device-tree from the image based on the compatible
> string.  On Big boards, it looks for "google,nyan-big".  This only
> becomes an issue if there are multiple device-trees in the FIT image.
> If there's only a single configuration (or you chain-load U-Boot),
> then the bootloader will boot with that configuration.  If you build a
> kernel image in the ChromiumOS environment, however, you'll end up
> with multiple device-trees (all those built by the kernel config at
> least) in the FIT image - this is what allows us to boot the same
> binary on different boards.

This just makes me dislike FIT (and DT ABIs) even more, although I 
suppose the same issue would arise if the DTBs were stored in separate 
files and looked up by filename.

I have to say this sucks, because it means that a downstream bootloader 
is imposing an ABI on the mainline kernel without a chance to fix things 
during upstreaming. For all other boards, we've concentrated on mainline 
U-Boot as the bootloader precisely so that strange behaviour of our 
downstream product kernels don't force the hand of the mainline kernel 
design.

Still, I suppose I have no choice but to drop my objection here.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-19 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-13 19:14 [PATCH v2] ARM: tegra: add Acer Chromebook 13 device tree Dylan Reid
2014-08-13 19:14 ` Dylan Reid
     [not found] ` <1407957267-3258-1-git-send-email-dgreid-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-16 15:20   ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-16 15:20     ` Andreas Färber
     [not found]     ` <53EF76CF.9050808-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-18 16:10       ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-18 16:10         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]         ` <53F2255E.7090208-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-18 17:03           ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-18 17:03             ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-18 23:24           ` Andrew Bresticker
2014-08-18 23:24             ` Andrew Bresticker
     [not found]             ` <CAL1qeaH-WfA-DLKwuXA_hBPHYuXksAibLq__zisrT9ALaRGdAw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-18 23:43               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-18 23:43                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                 ` <53F28F90.3000004-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-19  0:11                   ` Andrew Bresticker
2014-08-19  0:11                     ` Andrew Bresticker
     [not found]                     ` <CAL1qeaFnfLDOXq07fY4xLfdRpG8FQ63ya+-0Hk+ewA1wXkLOLw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-19 21:47                       ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2014-08-19 21:47                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                         ` <53F3C5FD.4050808-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-20  5:36                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-20  5:36                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-20 13:37                           ` Olof Johansson
2014-08-20 13:37                             ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                             ` <CAOesGMhDe0zFYkUWqBOTunK76wccdKOQ8b+EFAzeTr+oOUQyWA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-20 15:25                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-20 15:25                                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-20 17:25                                 ` Andrew Bresticker
2014-08-20 17:25                                   ` Andrew Bresticker
2014-08-20 13:29                   ` Olof Johansson
2014-08-20 13:29                     ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                     ` <CAOesGMhBdQh_ddycZ-Y5dupR9hW74bogHtG3yyPUJ2tAgWi19A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-20 14:32                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-20 14:32                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-20 15:40                         ` Olof Johansson
2014-08-20 15:40                           ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                           ` <CAOesGMjFGabNOk0ODjbDN5aaro5309t02+B+UZoM_+q5VE9Ltw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21  7:19                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21  7:19                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-18 23:05   ` Andrew Bresticker
2014-08-18 23:05     ` Andrew Bresticker
2014-09-04 19:40   ` Stephen Warren
2014-09-04 19:40     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <5408C023.8060403-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 20:33       ` Dylan Reid
2014-09-04 20:33         ` Dylan Reid
     [not found]         ` <CAEUnVG5xdbGZS5pFef0mkCB15pCCFR=vW5rELwU--KTBCT_feQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 21:04           ` Stephen Warren
2014-09-04 21:04             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]             ` <5408D3F7.5080200-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 21:08               ` Dylan Reid
2014-09-04 21:08                 ` Dylan Reid

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