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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)" <aravindp@cisco.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	KeirFraser <keir@xen.org>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 1/4] x86/mm: Shadow and p2m changes for PV mem_access
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:14:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53F717F7.1090208@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53F7314A020000780002C9F8@mail.emea.novell.com>

On 22/08/14 11:02, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 22.08.14 at 11:34, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 22/08/14 03:29, Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp) wrote:
>>>>> No, at least not about unspecified hypothetical ones. But again - a
>>>>> vague statement like you gave, without any kind of quantification of
>>>>> the imposed overhead, isn't going to be good enough a judgment.
>>>>> After all pausing a domain can be quite problematic for its performance
>>>>> if that happens reasonably frequently. Otoh I admit that the user of
>>>>> your new mechanism has a certain level of control over the impact via
>>>>> the number of pages (s)he wants to write-protect. So yes, perhaps it
>>>>> isn't going to be too bad as long as the hackery you need to do isn't.
>>>> I just wanted to give an update as to where I stand so as to not leave this
>>>> thread hanging. As I was working through pausing and unpausing the domain
>>>> during Xen writes to guest memory, I found a spot where the write happens
>>>> outside of __copy_to_user_ll() and __put_user_size(). It occurs in
>>>> create_bounce_frame() where Xen writes to the guest stack to setup an
>>>> exception frame. At that moment, if the guest stack is marked read-only, we
>>>> end up in the same situation as with the copy to guest functions but with no
>>>> obvious place to revert the page table entry back to read-only. I am at the
>>>> moment looking for a spot where I can do this.
>>> I have a solution for the create_bounc_frame() issue I described above. 
>> Please find below a POC patch that includes pausing and unpausing the domain 
>> during the Xen writes to guest memory. I have it on top of the patch that was 
>> using CR0.WP to highlight the difference. Please take a look and let me know 
>> if this solution is acceptable. 
>>> PS: I do realize whatever I do to create_bounce_frame() will have to be 
>> reflected in the compat version. If this is correct approach I will do the 
>> same there too.
>>
>> What is wrong with just making use of CR0.WP to solve this issue?
> The problem is that the period of time during with that flag would
> remain clear isn't well bounded (due to the potential of interrupts
> kicking intermediately).

Very true - I retract the suggestion.

>
>> Alternatively, locate the page in question and use map_domain_page() to
>> get a supervisor rw mapping.
> Certainly not nice especially in the create_bounce_frame() case
> (albeit I think a callout is being used anyway according to what
> Aravindh said - I didn't look at the proposed changes in detail
> yet), and the necessarily involved manual page table walk likely
> wouldn't be nice either.

Hmm - that isn't nice.

On further considerations, neither this or the suggested patch deal with
create_bounce_frame() crossing a page boundary and encountering a
different mfn which is also read-only.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-22 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-08  2:50 [PATCH RFC v2 0/4] Add mem_access support for PV domains Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-08  2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/4] x86/mm: Shadow and p2m changes for PV mem_access Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-24 14:29   ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-24 23:34     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-25  7:19       ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-25 21:39         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-28  6:49           ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-28 21:14             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-30  4:05             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-30  7:11               ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-30 18:35                 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-01  6:39                   ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-01 18:08                     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-04  7:03                       ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-05  0:14                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-05  6:33                           ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-13 22:14                             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22  2:29                             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22  9:34                               ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-22 10:02                                 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-22 10:14                                   ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2014-08-22 18:28                                 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 18:52                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-25 12:45                                 ` Gianluca Guida
2014-08-25 13:01                                   ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 13:02                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-25 13:59                                     ` Gianluca Guida
2014-08-22 15:33                               ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-22 19:07                                 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 19:24                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-22 19:48                                     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 20:02                                       ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-22 20:13                                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-25  7:34                                           ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25  7:33                                         ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 12:49                                           ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-25 13:09                                             ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 16:56                                               ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-26  7:08                                                 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-26 22:27                                                   ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-26 23:30                                                     ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-28  9:34                                                       ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 18:33                                                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-27  6:33                                                     ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-27  7:49                                                       ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-27 17:29                                                       ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-25 17:44                                               ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-26  7:12                                                 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25  7:29                                       ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 16:40                                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28  9:14           ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 18:31             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 19:00               ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 19:23                 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 20:37                   ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 21:35                     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 22:20                     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-29  9:52                       ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-29 17:52                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-29 19:03                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-01 10:38                           ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-02 21:57                             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-03  8:31                               ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-03 18:50                                 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-04  6:39                                   ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-04 18:24                                     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-05  8:11                                       ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-05 22:49                                         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
     [not found]                                   ` <20140904083906.GA86555@deinos.phlegethon.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <540849430200007800030C47@mail.emea.novell.com>
2014-09-11 19:40                                       ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-12  7:21                                         ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-12 18:01                                           ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28  9:09       ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 18:23         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-08  2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/4] x86/mem_access: mem_access and mem_event changes to support PV domains Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-24 14:38   ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-24 23:52     ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-25  7:23       ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-25 21:47         ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-28  6:56           ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-28 21:16             ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-08  2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/4] tools/libxc: Add APIs for PV mem_access Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-08  2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/4] tool/xen-access: Add support for PV domains Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-08 16:27 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/4] Add mem_access " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-07-08 17:57   ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-09  0:31   ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)

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