From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ig0-f179.google.com ([209.85.213.179]:35070 "EHLO mail-ig0-f179.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752166AbaHVLoC (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:44:02 -0400 Received: by mail-ig0-f179.google.com with SMTP id h18so14366566igc.0 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 04:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53F72CFD.1060702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:43:57 -0400 From: Austin S Hemmelgarn MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shriramana Sharma , linux-btrfs Subject: Re: Significance of high number of mails on this list? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060000020903070602020302" Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060000020903070602020302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2014-08-20 23:22, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > Hello. People on this list have been kind enough to reply to my > technical questions. However, seeing the high number of mails on this > list, esp with the title PATCH, I have a question about the > development itself: >=20 > Is this just an indication of a vibrant user/devel community [*] and > healthy development of many new nice features to eventually come out > in stable form later, or are we still at the fixing rough edges stage? > IOW what is the proportion of commits adding new features to those > stabilising/fixing features? >=20 > [* Since there is no separate btrfs-users vs brtfs-dev I'm not able to > gauge this difference either. i.e. if there were a dedicated -dev list > I might not be alarmed by a high number of mails indicating fast > development.] >=20 > Mostly I have read like "BTRFS is mostly stable but there might be a > few corner cases as yet unknown since this is a totally new generation > of FSs". But still given the volume of mails here I wanted to ask... > I'm sorry I realize I'm being a bit vague but I'm not sure how to > exactly express what I'm feeling about BTRFS right now... >=20 Personally I'd say that BTRFS is 'stable' enough for light usage without using stuff like quotas or RAID5/6. So far, having used it since 3.10, I've only once had a filesystem get corrupted when there wasn't some serious underlying hardware issue (crashed disk, SATA controller dropping random single sectors from writes, etc.), and it gives me much better performance than what I previously used (ext4 on top of LVM). As far as what to make of the volume of patches on the mailing list, I'd say that that shouldn't be used as a measure of quality. The ext4 mailing list is almost as busy on a regular basis, and people have been using that in production for years, and the XFS mailing list gets much higher volume of patches from time to time, and it's generally considered the gold standard of a stable filesystem. --------------ms060000020903070602020302 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFuDCC BbQwggOcoAMCAQICAw9gVDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQ0FADB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4w HAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmlu ZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAeFw0xNDA4 MDgxMTMwNDRaFw0xNTAyMDQxMTMwNDRaMGMxGDAWBgNVBAMTD0NBY2VydCBXb1QgVXNlcjEj MCEGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYUYWhmZXJyb2luN0BnbWFpbC5jb20xIjAgBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWE2Fo ZW1tZWxnQG9oaW9ndC5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDdmm8R BM5D6fGiB6rpogPZbLYu6CkU6834rcJepfmxKnLarYUYM593/VGygfaaHAyuc8qLaRA3u1M0 Qp29flqmhv1VDTBZ+zFu6JgHjTDniBii1KOZRo0qV3jC5NvaS8KUM67+eQBjm29LhBWVi3+e a8jLxmogFXV0NGej+GHIr5zA9qKz2WJOEoGh0EfqZ2MQTmozcGI43/oqIYhRj8fRMkWXLUAF WsLzPQMpK19hD8fqwlxQWhBV8gsGRG54K5pyaQsjne7m89SF5M8JkNJPH39tHEvfv2Vhf7EM Y4WGyhLAULSlym1AI1uUHR1FfJaj3AChaEJZli/AdajYsqc7AgMBAAGjggFZMIIBVTAMBgNV HRMBAf8EAjAAMFYGCWCGSAGG+EIBDQRJFkdUbyBnZXQgeW91ciBvd24gY2VydGlmaWNhdGUg Zm9yIEZSRUUgaGVhZCBvdmVyIHRvIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuQ0FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAOBgNVHQ8BAf8E BAMCA6gwQAYDVR0lBDkwNwYIKwYBBQUHAwQGCCsGAQUFBwMCBgorBgEEAYI3CgMEBgorBgEE AYI3CgMDBglghkgBhvhCBAEwMgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEJjAkMCIGCCsGAQUFBzABhhZodHRwOi8v b2NzcC5jYWNlcnQub3JnMDEGA1UdHwQqMCgwJqAkoCKGIGh0dHA6Ly9jcmwuY2FjZXJ0Lm9y Zy9yZXZva2UuY3JsMDQGA1UdEQQtMCuBFGFoZmVycm9pbjdAZ21haWwuY29tgRNhaGVtbWVs Z0BvaGlvZ3QuY29tMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBDQUAA4ICAQCr4klxcZU/PDRBpUtlb+d6JXl2dfto OUP/6g19dpx6Ekt2pV1eujpIj5whh5KlCSPUgtHZI7BcksLSczQbxNDvRu6LNKqGJGvcp99k cWL1Z6BsgtvxWKkOmy1vB+2aPfDiQQiMCCLAqXwHiNDZhSkwmGsJ7KHMWgF/dRVDnsl6aOQZ jAcBMpUZxzA/bv4nY2PylVdqJWp9N7x86TF9sda1zRZiyUwy83eFTDNzefYPtc4MLppcaD4g Wt8U6T2ffQfCWVzDirhg4WmDH3MybDItjkSB2/+pgGOS4lgtEBMHzAGQqQ+5PojTHRyqu9Jc O59oIGrTaOtKV9nDeDtzNaQZgygJItJi9GoAl68AmIHxpS1rZUNV6X8ydFrEweFdRTVWhUEL 70Cnx84YBojXv01LYBSZaq18K8cERPLaIrUD2go+2ffjdE9ejvYDhNBllY+ufvRizIjQA1uC OdktVAN6auQob94kOOsWpoMSrzHHvOvVW/kbokmKzaLtcs9+nJoL+vPi2AyzbaoQASVZYOGW pE3daA0F5FJfcPZKCwd5wdnmT3dU1IRUxa5vMmgjP20lkfP8tCPtvZv2mmI2Nw5SaXNY4gVu WQrvkV2in+TnGqgEIwUrLVbx9G6PSYZZs07czhO+Q1iVuKdAwjL/AYK0Us9v50acIzbl5CWw ZGj3wjGCA6EwggOdAgEBMIGAMHkxEDAOBgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6 Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0eTEh MB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQub3JnAgMPYFQwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAfUw GAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMTQwODIyMTE0MzU3 WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUIc27jqHisHd/Fkprm/Oi4GEZgIswbAYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMV8w XTALBglghkgBZQMEASowCwYJYIZIAWUDBAECMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMHMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIA gDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDCBkQYJKwYBBAGCNxAE MYGDMIGAMHkxEDAOBgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0 Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0eTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJ ARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQub3JnAgMPYFQwgZMGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMHkxEDAO BgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UE AxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0eTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBj YWNlcnQub3JnAgMPYFQwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAZ9Ze9DSnHP6yoTUFoZaZEHBya9Yh 2fr0dNlvaCvrs9Lt/S2Byg4e5Z5N4H/0h40Yo3arCeH/b9ovWuxgRX0kMbJYKvb3w0KUnpk4 TnwwqeSJoWkeQFx3temjPCBMNE4IZZqW4V20h6nUN38FLhyqopjRVbukAj8zjA8rA/p3m7eD iplRC6WOsvuuMRda25CC88aYIEusCPlsMnMzcJwWIC3EjNdeK3mbvaoFJ5NWq5wqt6o23yRr Bbc71wPZ9CF5vR8iDHv6K9+gzR5LEtp5z/ff6T94J5OtYFH2MghyyWLd1PHqXwmMhCZG55Vs 4y2KhFMbMXnFx/WBs62sdiy8oQAAAAAAAA== --------------ms060000020903070602020302--