From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: Pravin Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
nhorman@tuxdriver.com, andy@greyhouse.net,
Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
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Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
Jesse Gross <jesse@nicira.com>, Andy Zhou <azhou@nicira.com>,
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jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com, vyasevic@redhat.com,
Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
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alexei.starovoitov@gmail.co
Subject: Re: [patch net-next 01/13] openvswitch: split flow structures into ovs specific and generic ones
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 17:22:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54078694.5040104@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALnjE+pscRmfhaWgkWCunJfjvG04RiNUAj6nefSFHrknQTC+xw@mail.gmail.com>
On 09/03/14 14:41, Pravin Shelar wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
> HW offload API should be separate from OVS module.
The above part i agree with. Infact it is very odd that it seems
hard to get this point across ;->
> This has following
> advantages.
> 1. It can be managed by OVS userspace vswitchd process which has much
> better context to setup hardware flow table. Once we add capabilities
> for swdev, it is much more easier for vswitchd process to choose
> correct (hw or sw) flow table for given flow.
This i disagree with.
The desire is to have existing user tools to work with offloads.
When necessary, we then create new tools.
Existing tools may need to be taught to do selectively do
hardware vs software offload. We have a precedence with
bridging code which selectively offloads to hardware using iproute2.
> 2. Other application that wants to use HW offload does not have
> dependency on OVS kernel module.
Or on OF for that matter.
> 3. Hardware and software datapath remains separate, these two
> components has no dependency on each other, both can be developed
> independent of each other.
>
The basic definition of "offload" implies dependency;-> So,
I strongly disagree. You may need to go backwards and look at
views expressed on this (other than emails - theres slideware).
cheers,
jamal
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-03 21:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-03 9:24 [patch net-next 00/13] introduce rocker switch driver with openvswitch hardware accelerated datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 01/13] openvswitch: split flow structures into ovs specific and generic ones Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1409736300-12303-2-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 15:20 ` John Fastabend
[not found] ` <540731B9.4010603-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 18:42 ` Pravin Shelar
[not found] ` <CALnjE+rk26Om1O5_Q=8tn7eAyh4Ywen-1+UD_nCVj_geZY1HuQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 12:25 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-04 12:09 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 21:11 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-03 18:41 ` Pravin Shelar
2014-09-03 21:22 ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
[not found] ` <54078694.5040104-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 21:59 ` Pravin Shelar
[not found] ` <CALnjE+qUqSK7kHSi5BZuA0hzFjMcZ8TCTd9JRG1PPmMfDmAQOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 1:54 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
[not found] ` <CALnjE+pscRmfhaWgkWCunJfjvG04RiNUAj6nefSFHrknQTC+xw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 12:33 ` Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <20140904123323.GF1867-6KJVSR23iU5sFDB2n11ItA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 20:46 ` Pravin Shelar
2014-09-17 8:34 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-17 22:07 ` Jesse Gross
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 02/13] net: rename netdev_phys_port_id to more generic name Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1409736300-12303-1-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 03/13] net: introduce generic switch devices support Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1409736300-12303-4-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 15:46 ` John Fastabend
[not found] ` <540737CF.4000402-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 12:46 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 04/13] rtnl: expose physical switch id for particular device Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 05/13] net-sysfs: " Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 06/13] net: introduce dummy switch Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 07/13] dsa: implement ndo_swdev_get_id Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1409736300-12303-8-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 23:20 ` Florian Fainelli
[not found] ` <5407A25A.8050401-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 12:47 ` Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <20140904124701.GH1867-6KJVSR23iU5sFDB2n11ItA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-05 4:43 ` Felix Fietkau
2014-09-05 5:52 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 10/13] openvswitch: add support for datapath hardware offload Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1409736300-12303-11-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03 16:37 ` John Fastabend
[not found] ` <540743B4.9080500-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 12:48 ` Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <20140904124837.GI1867-6KJVSR23iU5sFDB2n11ItA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-05 3:59 ` Simon Horman
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 11/13] sw_flow: add misc section to key with in_port_ifindex field Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 12/13] rocker: introduce rocker switch driver Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 08/13] net: introduce netdev_phys_item_ids_match helper Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:24 ` [patch net-next 09/13] openvswitch: introduce vport_op get_netdev Jiri Pirko
2014-09-03 9:25 ` [patch net-next 13/13] switchdev: introduce Netlink API Jiri Pirko
2014-09-08 13:54 ` [patch net-next 00/13] introduce rocker switch driver with openvswitch hardware accelerated datapath Thomas Graf
2014-09-09 21:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-15 12:43 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-16 15:58 ` Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <20140916155832.GA1869-6KJVSR23iU488b5SBfVpbw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-29 5:44 ` Neelakantam Gaddam
[not found] ` <CAOv37=BNU1-+kgTR6RUqxw7snJL6=5g-rLYhuPc1F-V0B1k7tA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-29 5:46 ` Jiri Pirko
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