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From: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>
To: Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Cc: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <dborkman@redhat.com>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Jesse Gross <jesse@nicira.com>,
	Pravin Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>, Andy Zhou <azhou@nicira.com>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Jeff Kirsher <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com>,
	Vladislav Yasevich <vyasevic@redhat.com>,
	Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Scott Feldman <sfeldma@cumulusnetworks.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Roopa Prab
Subject: Re: [patch net-next v2 8/9] switchdev: introduce Netlink API
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:36:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5420CEAC.2070104@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+mtBx94TrLzQrZDo58d9ktma3ZioOpO=2FAODMRoiyiuYkQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/22/2014 04:07 PM, Tom Herbert wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> wrote:
>> On 09/22/14 at 03:40pm, Tom Herbert wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> wrote:
>>>> What makes stateful offload interesting to me is that the final
>>>> desintation of a packet is known at RX and can be redirected to a
>>>> queue or VF. This allows to build packet batches on shared pages
>>>> while preserving the securiy model.
>>>>
>>> How is this different from what rx-filtering already does?
>>
>> Without stateful offload I can't know where the packet is destined
>> to until after I've allocated an skb and parsed the packet in
>> software. I might be missing what you refer to here specifically.
>
> n-tuple filtering in as exposed by ethtool.

n-tuple has some deficiencies,

	- its not possible to get the capabilities to learn what
	  fields are supported by the device, what actions, etc.

	- its ioctl based so we have to poll the device

	- only supports a single table, where we have devices with
	  multiple tables

	- sort of the same as above but it doesn't allow creating new
	  tables or destroying old tables.

I probably missed a few others but those are the main ones that I
would like to address. Granted other than the ioctl line the rest could
be solved by extending the existing interface. However I would just
assume port it to ndo_ops and netlink then extend the existing ioctl
seeing it needs a reasonable overall to support the above anyways.

We could port the ethtool ops over to the new interface to
simplify drivers.

.John

-- 
John Fastabend         Intel Corporation

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-23  1:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-19 13:49 [patch net-next v2 0/9] introduce rocker switch driver with hardware accelerated datapath api Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 1/9] net: rename netdev_phys_port_id to more generic name Jiri Pirko
     [not found]   ` <1411134590-4586-2-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 13:54     ` Jeff Kirsher
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 3/9] rtnl: expose physical switch id for particular device Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 4/9] net-sysfs: " Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 5/9] net: introduce dummy switch Jiri Pirko
     [not found]   ` <1411134590-4586-6-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20  5:21     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20  7:37       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 6/9] switchdev: add basic support for flow matching and actions Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20  5:32   ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20  7:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 7/9] switchdev: add swdev features Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 8/9] switchdev: introduce Netlink API Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 15:25   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-19 15:49     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 17:57       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-19 22:12         ` John Fastabend
2014-09-19 22:18           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20  5:39             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20  8:25               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20  8:17             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 10:19               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20 11:01                 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-20 11:32                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20 11:51                     ` Thomas Graf
     [not found]                       ` <20140920115140.GA3777-FZi0V3Vbi30CUdFEqe4BF2D2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20 12:35                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-22  7:53                     ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                       ` <20140922075337.GA1828-6KJVSR23iU488b5SBfVpbw@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22 11:48                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20  5:36           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20  8:14           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 10:53             ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-20 22:50               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-22  8:13                 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-22 15:10                   ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-22 22:17                     ` Thomas Graf
     [not found]                       ` <20140922221727.GA4708-FZi0V3Vbi30CUdFEqe4BF2D2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22 22:40                         ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-22 22:53                           ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-22 23:07                             ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-23  1:36                               ` John Fastabend [this message]
2014-09-23  7:19                                 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23 11:09                                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
     [not found]                           ` <CA+mtBx9ZVQ5r5Hzy9-uEnk+iu+HKkOP4+VANC06Xf8VvTxktwQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23  9:18                             ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23  1:54                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-23  2:16                       ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-23  4:11                         ` Andy Gospodarek
2014-09-23 10:11                           ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23 15:32                           ` Or Gerlitz
2014-09-24 13:32                             ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-26 20:03                               ` Or Gerlitz
2014-09-26 21:02                                 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23  9:52                         ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-20  3:41       ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-20  8:09         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 12:39           ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-20  8:10         ` Scott Feldman
2014-09-20 10:31           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
     [not found]           ` <DDC24110-C3F5-470F-B9BE-1D1792415D1E-qUQiAmfTcIp+XZJcv9eMoEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20 12:51             ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-20 17:21               ` Scott Feldman
2014-09-20 17:38                 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-21  1:30                   ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 9/9] rocker: introduce rocker switch driver Jiri Pirko
     [not found] ` <1411134590-4586-1-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 13:49   ` [patch net-next v2 2/9] net: introduce generic switch devices support Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 14:15   ` [patch net-next v2 0/9] introduce rocker switch driver with hardware accelerated datapath api David Laight
     [not found]     ` <063D6719AE5E284EB5DD2968C1650D6D17495CC6-VkEWCZq2GCInGFn1LkZF6NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 14:20       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20  5:37         ` Florian Fainelli
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-09-23  3:43 [patch net-next v2 8/9] switchdev: introduce Netlink API Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-23 20:57 ` Tom Herbert

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