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From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
Cc: "Tom Herbert" <therbert@google.com>,
	"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Linux Netdev List" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"Hannes Frederic Sowa" <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	"Florian Westphal" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <dborkman@redhat.com>,
	"Alexander Duyck" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
	"Dave Taht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
	"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH V5] qdisc: bulk dequeue support for qdiscs with TCQ_F_ONETXQUEUE
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 14:55:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <542C4E0D.4050404@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141001192840.5679a671@redhat.com>

On 10/01/14 13:28, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:

> Thus, code is activated only when q->qlen is >= 1. And I have already
> shown that we see a win with just bulking 2 packets:

If you can get 2 packets, indeed you win. If you can on average get >1
over a long period, you still win.
You have clearly demonstrated you can do that with traffic
generators (udp or in kernel pktgen). I was more worried about the
common use case scenario (handwaved as 1-24 TCP streams).

The key here is: *if you never hit bulking* then the cost is
_per packet_ for sch_direct_xmit bypass.
Question is what is that cost for the common case as defined above?
Can you hit a bulk level >1 on 1-24 TCP streams?
I would be happy if your answer is *yes*. If your answer is no (since
it is hard to achieve) - then how far off is it from before your
patches (since now you have added at minimal a branch check).
I think it is fair for you to quantify that, no?
Feature is still useful for the other cases.

Note:
This is what i referred to as the "no animals were hurt during the
making of these patches" statement. I am sorry again for raining on
the parade.

cheers,
jamal

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-01 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-30  8:53 [net-next PATCH V5] qdisc: bulk dequeue support for qdiscs with TCQ_F_ONETXQUEUE Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-09-30 11:07 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-30 18:20   ` David Miller
2014-10-01 13:17     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-10-01 14:55       ` Tom Herbert
2014-10-01 15:34         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-10-01 17:28           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-10-01 18:55             ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
2014-10-01 19:47               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-10-01 20:05                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-10-01 20:32                   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-10-02  5:18                     ` Dave Taht
2014-10-02  7:44                       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-10-02 10:08                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-02 13:02                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-10-02 12:53                     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-10-01 19:47             ` David Miller
2014-09-30 11:48 ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 12:25   ` Florian Westphal
2014-09-30 12:38     ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 12:41       ` Florian Westphal
2014-09-30 22:07   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-09-30 22:15     ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 12:34 ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 12:51   ` [net-next PATCH] dql: add a burst attribute Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 13:46     ` Florian Westphal
2014-09-30 14:17       ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 14:26         ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-30 14:49           ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 15:05             ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-30 14:31         ` Florian Westphal
2014-09-30 14:55           ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 21:46             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-10-01  4:44               ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-30 15:26         ` Florian Westphal
2014-09-30 15:39           ` Dave Taht
2014-09-30 15:41           ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-30 21:29     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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