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From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
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Subject: Re: [patch net-next v2 06/10] bridge: introduce fdb offloading via switchdev
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 07:47:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5460B3E5.7020502@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141110081552.GD1850@nanopsycho.orion>

On 11/10/14 03:15, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:47:48AM CET, jhs@mojatatu.com wrote:
>> On 11/09/14 05:51, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>> From: Scott Feldman <sfeldma@gmail.com>
>>>

> Jamal, I believe we discussed this already.

I cant remember how that ended.

> The thing is that current
> fdb_add/del does not need vlanid and master/self flags, because it
> already has that (struct nlattr *tb[]). Here is the whole list of
> parameters to these functions:
>          NDA_DST,
>          NDA_LLADDR,
>          NDA_CACHEINFO,
>          NDA_PROBES,
>          NDA_VLAN,
>          NDA_PORT,
>          NDA_VNI,
>          NDA_IFINDEX,
>          NDA_MASTER,
>
> There are few problems in re-using this. It is netlink based so for calling
> it from bridge code, we would have to construct netlink message. But
> that could be probably changed.

Trying to understand.

A netlink message for a bridge to add an fdb is targeted at the
*bridge port*.
That message has semantic which says "please add this entry
to the software bridge and/or offloaded hardware".
If something is targetted at the bridge port, ->ndo_fdb_add()
is invoked with an internally chewed structure.
Why would you have to construct a new netlink message to the driver?


> As you can see from the list of parameters, this is no longer about fdb (addr,
> vlanid) but this has been extended to something else.

I am still missing understanding that part.
Or maybe are you saying that you dont want to pass netlink
constructs to the driver?

> See vxlan code for
> what this is used for. I believe that fdb_add/del should be renamed to
> something else, perhaps l2neigh_add/del or something like that.
> The other problem is that fdb_add/del is currently used by various
> drivers for different purpose (adding macs to unicast list).
>

Ok, now a small spark ignited in my brain. You did talk about renaming
things to neighXXX in one of the exchanges. I think this is a separate
issue from the question of why you cant refactor ndo_fdb_add/del

The abuse of using this interface for unicast addresses is probably
driven by the fact some of the hardware probably offloads vlanid 0 or
something speacial like 4095 to point to the underlying hardware that
"this belongs to host cpu".
I am not a fan of it (and have posted in exchanges with Vlad in the
past).

cheers,
jamal

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-10 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-09 10:51 [patch net-next v2 00/10] introduce rocker switch driver with hardware accelerated datapath api - phase 1: bridge fdb offload Jiri Pirko
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 01/10] net: rename netdev_phys_port_id to more generic name Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  3:35   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10  5:23     ` David Miller
2014-11-10 12:06       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 12:33         ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-11-10 12:56           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 16:28         ` David Miller
2014-11-10  7:43     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 12:17       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 13:16         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 13:20           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 16:28         ` David Miller
2014-11-10 19:03           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 21:57   ` John Fastabend
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 02/10] net: introduce generic switch devices support Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 21:59   ` John Fastabend
2014-11-11 15:11     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-11  9:49   ` M. Braun
2014-11-11 10:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-19 13:28   ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-19 13:46     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-19 13:59       ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-20 15:55         ` Andy Gospodarek
2014-11-21  7:16           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 03/10] rtnl: expose physical switch id for particular device Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  3:43   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10  7:45     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 17:58   ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-10 20:02     ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-11 13:55       ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-10 22:14     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 22:31       ` John Fastabend
2014-11-10 22:01   ` John Fastabend
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 04/10] net-sysfs: " Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 22:01   ` John Fastabend
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 05/10] rocker: introduce rocker switch driver Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 22:04   ` John Fastabend
2014-11-11 14:29     ` Thomas Graf
2014-11-11 15:19       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-11 15:32         ` Thomas Graf
2014-11-11 15:40           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-11 16:10             ` Thomas Graf
2014-11-27 14:09             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-11-11 15:41           ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-11 15:44             ` John Fastabend
2014-11-11 15:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 06/10] bridge: introduce fdb offloading via switchdev Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  3:47   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10  8:15     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  9:30       ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-10 12:47       ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
2014-11-10 13:47         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 19:13           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 13:51       ` Thomas Graf
2014-11-10 17:30         ` Andy Gospodarek
2014-11-10 19:03           ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-12 13:43             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 07/10] bridge: call netdev_sw_port_stp_update when bridge port STP status changes Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 13:11   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 14:04     ` Thomas Graf
2014-11-10 19:20       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 15:59     ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 08/10] bridge: add API to notify bridge driver of learned FBD on offloaded device Jiri Pirko
2014-11-11 14:21   ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-11 17:38     ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-11 21:43       ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 09/10] rocker: implement rocker ofdpa flow table manipulation Jiri Pirko
2014-11-09 10:51 ` [patch net-next v2 10/10] rocker: implement L2 bridge offloading Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  3:53   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10  8:18     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  9:10       ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-11-10  8:46     ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-10 12:27       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 16:12         ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-10 17:36           ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-10 18:35             ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-11-10 19:27               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 19:47                 ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-10 21:14                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 19:25             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 17:22         ` Scott Feldman
2014-11-09 16:40 ` [patch net-next] bridge: rename fdb_*_hw to fdb_*_hw_addr to avoid confusion Jiri Pirko
2014-11-11  2:33   ` David Miller
2014-11-11  7:20     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10  3:31 ` [patch net-next v2 00/10] introduce rocker switch driver with hardware accelerated datapath api - phase 1: bridge fdb offload Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10  3:46   ` Simon Horman
2014-11-10  4:03     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10  4:58       ` Simon Horman
2014-11-10 22:23         ` John Fastabend
2014-11-11  8:51           ` Simon Horman
2014-11-13  5:44           ` Simon Horman
2014-11-13  6:31             ` John Fastabend
2014-11-21  2:01               ` Simon Horman
2014-11-21  7:20                 ` John Fastabend
2014-11-10  7:23   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 12:16     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-11-10 13:12       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-11-10 16:48 ` Thomas Graf
2014-11-12 13:44 ` Jiri Pirko

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