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From: Ed White <edmund.h.white@intel.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: keir@xen.org, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>,
	ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com, ian.campbell@citrix.com,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] Alternate p2m: support multiple copies of host p2m
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:01:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B943D5.90306@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54B8D6080200007800055AE2@mail.emea.novell.com>

On 01/16/2015 12:12 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 15.01.15 at 19:23, <edmund.h.white@intel.com> wrote:
>> On 01/15/2015 08:15 AM, Tim Deegan wrote:
>>> - Feature compatibilty/completeness.  You pointed out yourself that
>>>   it doesn't work with nested HVM or migration.  I think I'd have to
>>>   add mem_event/access/paging and PCI passthrough to the list of
>>>   features that ought to still work.  I'm resigned to the idea that
>>>   many new features don't work with shadow pagetables. :)
>>>
>>
>> The intention is that mem_event/access should still work. I haven't
>> specifically looked at paging, but I don't see any fundamental reason
>> why it shouldn't. PCI passthrough I suspect won't. Does nested HVM
>> work with migration? Is it simply not acceptable to submit a feature
>> as experimental, with known compatibility issues? I had assumed that
>> it was, based on the nested HVM status as documented in the release
>> notes.
> 
> It is generally acceptable, sure. But the sad thing here is that
> particularly with such code coming from Intel (with the nested
> VMX code being a good example, and certain IOMMU/pass-
> through things being another) my experience is that once that
> initial code drop happened, interest from the original authors is
> lost (possibly not maliciously, but because of being assigned other
> tasks) and the code therefore has to remain experimental for
> extended periods of time (often until someone else gets
> frustrated enough about its half baked state to spend non-
> negligible amounts of time to deal with the loose ends).

I can't make any guarantees, I'm just one person and I do what
the people who pay me tell me to do.

What I can tell you is that our primary motivation for producing
this patch series is that we have an internal customer already
shipping Xen-based products who wants to use these capabilities.
That customer isn't going to go away, and isn't going to want to
support something half-baked.

Ed

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-16 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-09 21:26 [PATCH 00/11] Alternate p2m: support multiple copies of host p2m Ed White
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 01/11] VMX: VMFUNC and #VE definitions and detection Ed White
2015-01-12 13:06   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 18:50     ` Ed White
2015-01-14 14:38       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 02/11] VMX: implement suppress #VE Ed White
2015-01-12 16:43   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-12 17:45     ` Ed White
2015-01-13 18:36       ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:25   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:46     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:22       ` Tim Deegan
2015-03-25 17:30       ` Ed White
2015-03-26 10:15         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 03/11] x86/HVM: Hardware alternate p2m support detection Ed White
2015-01-12 17:08   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-12 17:46     ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:32   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 04/11] x86/MM: Improve p2m type checks Ed White
2015-01-12 17:48   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 19:39     ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:36   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 05/11] x86/altp2m: basic data structures and support routines Ed White
2015-01-13 11:28   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 19:49     ` Ed White
2015-03-25 20:59       ` Ed White
2015-03-26 10:48         ` Tim Deegan
2015-03-26 18:00           ` Ed White
2015-01-15 16:48   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 16:53     ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-15 18:49       ` Ed White
2015-01-16  7:37         ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:23         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 06/11] VMX/altp2m: add code to support EPTP switching and #VE Ed White
2015-01-13 11:58   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-15 16:56   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:55     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:50       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 17:57         ` Ed White
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86/altp2m: introduce p2m_ram_rw_ve type Ed White
2015-01-15 17:03   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:38     ` Ed White
2015-01-16  8:20       ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:14         ` Ed White
2015-01-19  8:49           ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-19 19:53             ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:52       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 18:35         ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:37           ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] x86/altp2m: add remaining support routines Ed White
2015-01-15 17:25   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:57     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 18:04       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 17:33   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 21:00     ` Ed White
2015-01-16  8:24       ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:17         ` Ed White
2015-01-19  8:52           ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 18:09       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] x86/altp2m: define and implement alternate p2m HVMOP types Ed White
2015-01-15 17:09   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:43     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:57       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] x86/altp2m: fix log-dirty handling Ed White
2015-01-15 17:20   ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 20:49     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 17:59       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-09 21:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] x86/altp2m: alternate p2m memory events Ed White
2015-01-09 22:06 ` [PATCH 00/11] Alternate p2m: support multiple copies of host p2m Andrew Cooper
2015-01-09 22:21   ` Ed White
2015-01-09 22:41     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-09 23:04       ` Ed White
2015-01-12 10:00         ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-12 17:36           ` Ed White
2015-01-13  8:56             ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-13 11:28               ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-13 17:42               ` Ed White
2015-01-12 12:17 ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 17:39   ` Ed White
2015-01-12 17:43     ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 17:50       ` Ed White
2015-01-12 18:00         ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 18:31           ` Ed White
2015-01-13 10:21             ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-13 18:25               ` Ed White
2015-01-13 11:16             ` Ian Jackson
2015-01-12 17:51       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 19:01 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 20:02   ` Ed White
2015-01-13 20:45     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-13 21:30       ` Ed White
2015-01-14  7:04         ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-14 10:31           ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-14 11:09             ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-14 11:28               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-14 17:35                 ` Ed White
2015-01-15  8:16                   ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-15 17:28                     ` Ed White
2015-01-15 17:45                       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:44                         ` Ed White
2015-03-04 23:06                           ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-03-04 23:41                             ` Ed White
2015-03-05 10:51                               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-03-13 17:38                                 ` Ed White
2015-03-05 10:36                             ` Tim Deegan
2015-03-05 10:58                               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-03-05 11:13                                 ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16  7:35                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 16:54                         ` Ed White
2015-01-15 10:39                   ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-15 17:31                     ` Ed White
2015-01-16 10:43                       ` Tamas K Lengyel
2015-01-16 17:21                         ` Ed White
2015-03-05 13:45       ` Egger, Christoph
2015-01-14  7:01     ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-15 16:15 ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-15 18:23   ` Ed White
2015-01-16  8:12     ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-16 17:01       ` Ed White [this message]
2015-01-16 18:33     ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 20:32       ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:34         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-16 21:43       ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:49         ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-19 19:35           ` Ed White
2015-01-17  9:31       ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-17 15:01         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-01-19 12:17           ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-19 21:54             ` Ed White
2015-01-20  8:47               ` Jan Beulich
2015-01-20 18:43                 ` Ed White
2015-01-22 15:42               ` Tim Deegan
2015-01-22 19:15                 ` Ed White
2015-03-25 17:41     ` Ed White
2015-03-26 10:40       ` Tim Deegan

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