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From: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	chai wen <chaiw.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Ulrich Obergfell <uobergfe@redhat.com>,
	Fabian Frederick <fabf@skynet.be>,
	Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@redhat.com>, Ben Zhang <benzh@chromium.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] watchdog: nohz: don't run watchdog on nohz_full cores
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 14:30:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <551AE7D4.3020608@ezchip.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150331072502.GA16754@gmail.com>

On 03/31/2015 03:25 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * cmetcalf@ezchip.com <cmetcalf@ezchip.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>
>>
>> Running watchdog can be a helpful debugging feature on regular
>> cores, but it's incompatible with nohz_full, since it forces
>> regular scheduling events.  Accordingly, just exit out immediately
>> from any nohz_full core.
>>
>> An alternate approach would be to add a flags field or function to
>> smp_hotplug_thread to control on which cores the percpu threads
>> are created, but it wasn't clear that much mechanism was useful.
>>
>> [...]
> So what happens if someone wants to enable the lockup detector, with a
> long timeout, even on nohz-full CPUs? This patch makes that
> impossible.
>
> A better solution would be to tweak the defaults:
>
>   - to default the watchdog(s) to disabled when nohz-full is
>     enabled, even if HARDLOCKUP_DETECTOR=y or DETECT_HUNG_TASK=y, and
>     allow it to be re-enabled via its sysctl.

That's certainly a reasonable thing to do; it looks like just an #ifdef
at the top of watchdog.c would suffice.  Does this look right?

diff --git a/kernel/watchdog.c b/kernel/watchdog.c
index 8a46d9d8a66f..c8555c211e65 100644
--- a/kernel/watchdog.c
+++ b/kernel/watchdog.c
@@ -25,7 +25,11 @@
  #include <linux/kvm_para.h>
  #include <linux/perf_event.h>
  
+#ifdef CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL
+int watchdog_user_enabled = 0;
+#else
  int watchdog_user_enabled = 1;
+#endif
  int __read_mostly watchdog_thresh = 10;
  #ifdef CONFIG_SMP
  int __read_mostly sysctl_softlockup_all_cpu_backtrace;

It doesn't look like I need to do anything else special to disable
HARDLOCKUP_DETECTOR, and khungtaskd can happily run on
a non-nohz core, so that should be OK.

What I was trying to achieve with my proposed patch was kind
of orthogonal: to allow the watchdog to run on standard cores,
but not run on nohz cores, so we could benefit from it on the
cores where it was safe for it to run.  Do you see value in this,
or better to just enable/disable all watchdog threads collectively?

-- 
Chris Metcalf, EZChip Semiconductor
http://www.ezchip.com


  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-31 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-30 18:51 [PATCH] watchdog: nohz: don't run watchdog on nohz_full cores cmetcalf
2015-03-30 19:12 ` Don Zickus
2015-03-30 19:32   ` [PATCH v2] " Chris Metcalf
2015-03-30 20:02     ` Don Zickus
2015-04-02 15:19       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-03-31  2:04   ` [PATCH] " Mike Galbraith
2015-03-31  6:34     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-03-31 18:32     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-03-31  7:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-03-31 18:30   ` Chris Metcalf [this message]
2015-04-02 13:35     ` Don Zickus
2015-04-02 13:49       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-02 14:15         ` Don Zickus
2015-04-02 15:38           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-02 15:42             ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-02 16:08               ` Don Zickus
2015-04-02 16:48               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-02 17:39                 ` [PATCH v3] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz cmetcalf
2015-04-02 18:06                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02 18:16                     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-02 18:33                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02 18:49                         ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-02 18:45                   ` Don Zickus
2015-04-03 16:08                     ` [PATCH v4 1/2] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads cmetcalf
2015-04-03 16:08                       ` [PATCH v4 2/2] watchdog: add watchdog_exclude sysctl to assist nohz cmetcalf
2015-04-05 16:46                         ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-06 19:45                           ` [PATCH v5 0/2] nohz/watchdog/smp_hotplug_thread changes cmetcalf
2015-04-06 19:45                             ` [PATCH v5 1/2] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads cmetcalf
2015-04-08 13:28                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-08 14:06                                 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-08 17:29                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-06 19:45                             ` [PATCH v5 2/2] watchdog: add watchdog_exclude sysctl to assist nohz cmetcalf
2015-04-07 15:44                               ` Don Zickus
2015-04-07 15:56                               ` Sasha Levin
2015-04-07 17:49                                 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-08 14:01                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-08 19:11                                 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads cmetcalf
2015-04-08 19:11                                   ` [PATCH v6 2/2] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz cmetcalf
2015-04-08 20:37                                   ` [PATCH v6 1/2] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads Thomas Gleixner
2015-04-09 20:29                                     ` [PATCH] " Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10  1:58                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-10 16:33                                         ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-12 19:14                                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-13 16:06                                             ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-13 21:54                                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-14 19:37                                                 ` [PATCH v8 1/3] " Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 19:37                                                   ` [PATCH v8 2/3] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz Chris Metcalf
2015-04-16 10:46                                                     ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-17 15:41                                                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-22  8:20                                                         ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-28 17:52                                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29  8:48                                                             ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-17  1:31                                                     ` Chai Wen
2015-04-17 16:10                                                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 19:37                                                   ` [PATCH v8 3/3] procfs: treat parked tasks as sleeping for task state Chris Metcalf
2015-04-16 15:28                                                   ` [PATCH v8 1/3] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-16 15:50                                                     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-16 16:48                                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-17 16:17                                                     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-17 18:37                                                     ` [PATCH v9 " Chris Metcalf
2015-04-17 18:37                                                       ` [PATCH v9 2/3] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz Chris Metcalf
2015-04-21 12:32                                                         ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-28 18:07                                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29  9:49                                                             ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-29 13:10                                                             ` Don Zickus
2015-04-21 14:07                                                         ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-22 15:18                                                           ` Don Zickus
2015-04-25 15:42                                                             ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-22 11:02                                                         ` Ulrich Obergfell
2015-04-22 15:21                                                           ` Don Zickus
2015-04-27 20:27                                                             ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 15:17                                                               ` Don Zickus
2015-04-28 19:42                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2015-04-30 19:39                                                                 ` [PATCH v10 0/3] add watchdog_cpumask to help nohz_full Chris Metcalf
2015-04-30 19:39                                                                   ` [PATCH v10 1/3] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads Chris Metcalf
2015-05-01  8:53                                                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-01 19:57                                                                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-05-01 21:23                                                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-04 22:06                                                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-06-03  2:34                                                                             ` Don Zickus
2015-06-04 17:25                                                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-05-01 20:00                                                                       ` [PATCH] smpboot: dynamically allocate the cpumask Chris Metcalf
2015-04-30 19:39                                                                   ` [PATCH v10 2/3] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz Chris Metcalf
2015-04-30 20:00                                                                     ` Don Zickus
2015-04-30 20:09                                                                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-05-01 13:46                                                                         ` Don Zickus
2015-04-30 19:39                                                                   ` [PATCH v10 3/3] procfs: treat parked tasks as sleeping for task state Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29 22:26                                                         ` [PATCH v9 2/3] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz Andrew Morton
2015-04-29 22:26                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2015-04-17 18:37                                                       ` [PATCH v9 3/3] procfs: treat parked tasks as sleeping for task state Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29 22:26                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2015-04-29 22:26                                                       ` [PATCH v9 1/3] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads Andrew Morton
2015-04-30 16:07                                                         ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 15:23                                               ` [PATCH] " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-14 15:39                                                 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 17:57                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-04-10 20:48                                         ` [PATCH v7 1/3] " Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10 20:48                                           ` [PATCH v7 2/3] watchdog: add watchdog_cpumask sysctl to assist nohz Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10 20:48                                           ` [PATCH v7 3/3] procfs: treat parked tasks as sleeping for task state Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10 21:11                                           ` [PATCH v7 1/3] smpboot: allow excluding cpus from the smpboot threads Andrew Morton
2015-04-13 15:48                                             ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-08 19:21                                 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] watchdog: add watchdog_exclude sysctl to assist nohz Chris Metcalf
2015-04-08 22:31                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-03-31 10:17 ` [PATCH] watchdog: nohz: don't run watchdog on nohz_full cores Christoph Lameter
2015-03-31 18:39   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-02 14:13     ` Christoph Lameter

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