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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	Madhu Challa <challa@noironetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf-next] netfilter: conntrack: add support for flextuples
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 13:59:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55475F13.1000304@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150504103451.GA12200@salvia>

Hi Pablo,

On 05/04/2015 12:34 PM, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 12:23:41PM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>> This patch adds support for the possibility of doing NAT with
>> conflicting IP address/ports tuples from multiple, isolated
>> tenants, represented as network namespaces and netfilter zones.
>> For such internal VRFs, traffic is directed to a single or shared
>> pool of public IP address/port range for the external/public VRF.
>>
>> Or in other words, this allows for doing NAT *between* VRFs
>> instead of *inside* VRFs without requiring each tenant to NAT
>> twice or to use its own dedicated IP address to SNAT to, also
>> with the side effect to not requiring to expose a unique marker
>> per tenant in the data center to the public.
>>
>> Simplified example scheme:
>>
>>    +--- VRF A ---+  +--- CT Zone 1 --------+
>>    | 10.1.1.1/8  +--+ 10.1.1.1 ESTABLISHED |
>>    +-------------+  +--+-------------------+
>>                        |
>>                     +--+--+
>>                     | L3  +-SNAT-[20.1.1.1:20000-40000]--eth0
>>                     +--+--+
>>                        |
>>    +-- VRF B ----+  +--- CT Zone 2 --------+
>>    | 10.1.1.1/8  +--+ 10.1.1.1 ESTABLISHED |
>>    +-------------+  +----------------------+
>
> So, it's the skb->mark that survives between the containers.  I'm not
> sure it makes sense to keep a zone 0 from the container that performs
> SNAT. Instead, we can probably restore the zone based on the
> skb->mark. The problem is that the existing zone is u16. In nftables,
> Patrick already mentioned about supporting casting so we can do
> something like:
>
>          ct zone set (u16)meta mark
>
> So you can reserve a part of the skb->mark to map it to the zone. I'm
> not very convinced about this.

Thanks for the feedback! I'm not yet sure though, I understood the
above suggestion to the described problem fully so far, i.e. how
would replies on the SNAT find the correct zone again?

Our issue simplified, basically boils down to: given are two zones,
both use IP address <A>, both zones want to talk to IP address <B> in
a third zone. To let those two with <A> talk to <B>, connections are
being routed + SNATed from a non-unique to a unique address/port
tuple [which the proposed approach solves], so they can talk to <B>.

Best,
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-04 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-04 10:23 [PATCH nf-next] netfilter: conntrack: add support for flextuples Daniel Borkmann
2015-05-04 10:34 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-05-04 11:59   ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2015-05-04 13:08     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-05-04 13:47       ` Thomas Graf
2015-05-06 14:27         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-05-06 18:00           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-05-06 18:50             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-05-07 12:01               ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-05-07 18:10                 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-05-08  9:45                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-05-04 13:51       ` Daniel Borkmann

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