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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: lersek@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kraxel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/31] target-i386: use memory API to implement SMRAM
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 10:58:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <556C1ED1.2030706@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150601100447-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com>



On 01/06/2015 10:10, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > UNUSED is written as zeroes, so it will think SMM is _disabled_,
> > unconditionally.  Note that d->smram_region is backwards: it aliases to
> > VRAM, so it is enabled when SMRAM is closed and disabled when SMRAM is open.
> > 
> > This is correct for KVM, though not for TCG.  Backwards migration is not
> > supported officially upstream, and I think we can agree it is even less
> > supported for TCG.
>
> Generally backwards migration is nice to have to test cross-version
> migration properly by doing ping-pong.
> Looks like we only need to set smm_enabled correctly before save,
> and it'll work cleanly.
> No?

Sort of.  Old QEMU is not able to handle the case where some CPUs are in
SMM and some are not.  It is also a layering violation to compute
smm_enabled from the CPUs.

Old SeaBIOS never uses SMM after POST, and executes a dozen instructions
or so inside SMRAM.  New SeaBIOS does use SMM after POST (e.g. during
grub), but it _literally_ executes two instructions inside SMRAM and
then jumps to the F-segment, so even if you do not migrate smm_enabled
the chance that something break is basically zero.

This is why I decided that it wasn't worth the complication (and the
layering violation).

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-01  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-11 13:48 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/31] target-i386: SMM improvements and partial support under KVM Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/31] pc: add 2.4 machine types Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/31] target-i386: introduce cpu_get_mem_attrs Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/31] target-i386: Use correct memory attributes for memory accesses Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/31] target-i386: Use correct memory attributes for ioport accesses Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/31] target-i386: mask NMIs on entry to SMM Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/31] target-i386: set G=1 in SMM big real mode selectors Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/31] pflash_cfi01: change big-endian property to BIT type Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/31] pflash_cfi01: change to new-style MMIO accessors Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/31] pflash_cfi01: add secure property Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/31] vl: allow full-blown QemuOpts syntax for -global Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-19 11:49   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-19 14:34     ` Markus Armbruster
2015-05-19 16:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2015-05-19 16:40     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-06-08 18:04       ` Markus Armbruster
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/31] qom: add object_property_add_const_link Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 14:40   ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-19 11:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-19 19:14   ` Eduardo Habkost
2015-05-20 14:36     ` Andreas Färber
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/31] vl: run "late" notifiers immediately Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/31] target-i386: create a separate AddressSpace for each CPU Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/31] hw/i386: add a separate region that tracks the SMRAME bit Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/31] target-i386: use memory API to implement SMRAM Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-31 18:09   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-06-01  7:30     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-06-01  8:10       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-06-01  8:58         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-06-01 10:38           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/31] hw/i386: remove smram_update Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/31] q35: implement high SMRAM Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/31] q35: fix ESMRAMC default Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-12  6:52   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/31] q35: add config space wmask for SMRAM and ESMRAMC Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-12  6:55   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/31] q35: add test for SMRAM.D_LCK Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/31] q35: implement TSEG Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/31] ich9: implement SMI_LOCK Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 15:17   ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-11 15:21     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 15:36       ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-11 15:45         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-12  7:07   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/31] hw/acpi: acpi_pm1_cnt_init(): take "disable_s3" and "disable_s4" Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/31] hw/acpi: move "etc/system-states" fw_cfg file from PIIX4 to core Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/31] hw/acpi: piix4_pm_init(): take fw_cfg object no more Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/31] target-i386: add support for SMBASE MSR and SMIs Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/31] vga: disable chain4_alias if KVM supports SMRAM Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-19 11:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/31] pc_piix: rename kvm_enabled to smm_enabled Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/31] ich9: add smm_enabled field and arguments Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-11 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 31/31] pc: add SMM property Paolo Bonzini
     [not found] ` <1431352157-40283-21-git-send-email-pbonzini@redhat.com>
2015-05-12  6:59   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/31] q35: implement SMRAM.D_LCK Gerd Hoffmann
2015-05-31 18:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/31] target-i386: SMM improvements and partial support under KVM Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-06-01  7:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-06-01  7:51     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-06-01  8:56       ` Paolo Bonzini

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