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From: Claudio Fontana <claudio.fontana@huawei.com>
To: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
Cc: kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] KVM: arm/arm64: Don't let userspace update CNTVOFF once guest is running
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:59:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <558BC2F5.9010303@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150625080457.GD28244@cbox>

Hi Christoffer,

On 25.06.2015 10:04, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 03:54:57PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> Userspace is allowed to set the guest's view of CNTVCT, which turns
>> into setting CNTVOFF for the whole VM. One thing userspace is not supposed
>> to do is to update that register while the guest is running. Time will
>> either move forward (best case) or backward (really bad idea). Either way,
>> this shouldn't happen.
>>
>> This patch prevents userspace from touching CNTVOFF as soon as a vcpu
>> has been started. This ensures that time will keep monotonically increase.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
>> ---
>>
>> QEMU seems to trigger this at boot time, and I have no idea why it does so.
>> It would be good to find out, hence the RFC tag.
> 
> Is this at kernel boot time you see this, or at system startup time?
> 
> IIRC, QEMU creates a throw-away VM with the default CPU target time,
> reads out all the system registers to get the KVM reset values of those,
> then creates the real VM, and feeds back in all the system register
> reset values, as a method for QEMU and KVM to be in sync about the reset
> state of the machine.  If we do this, and include CNTVCT, then that
> would probably trigger this, but the VCPU really shouldn't have been run
> at that time...
> 
> We should prevent userspace from fiddling with this register post VCPU
> start regardless, but yes, it would be good to find out why this is
> happening in the first place.
> 
> How did you notice this and does it manifest itself in some user-visible
> ugliness?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Christoffer
> 


You can read the whole history here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osv-dev/2w101csH65E

It causes clock-related bugs with time jumping backward when relying on the virtual counter register in the guest, whenever a cpu is booted (primary, secondary via PSCI), and actually whenever the monitor is used to stop, info registers etc.

Once the VM is created, I think QEMU should not request kvm to change the virtual offset of the VM anymore: maybe an unexpected consequence of QEMU's target-arm/kvm64.c::kvm_arch_put_registers ?

Thanks,

Claudio

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From: claudio.fontana@huawei.com (Claudio Fontana)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH] KVM: arm/arm64: Don't let userspace update CNTVOFF once guest is running
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:59:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <558BC2F5.9010303@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150625080457.GD28244@cbox>

Hi Christoffer,

On 25.06.2015 10:04, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 03:54:57PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> Userspace is allowed to set the guest's view of CNTVCT, which turns
>> into setting CNTVOFF for the whole VM. One thing userspace is not supposed
>> to do is to update that register while the guest is running. Time will
>> either move forward (best case) or backward (really bad idea). Either way,
>> this shouldn't happen.
>>
>> This patch prevents userspace from touching CNTVOFF as soon as a vcpu
>> has been started. This ensures that time will keep monotonically increase.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
>> ---
>>
>> QEMU seems to trigger this at boot time, and I have no idea why it does so.
>> It would be good to find out, hence the RFC tag.
> 
> Is this at kernel boot time you see this, or at system startup time?
> 
> IIRC, QEMU creates a throw-away VM with the default CPU target time,
> reads out all the system registers to get the KVM reset values of those,
> then creates the real VM, and feeds back in all the system register
> reset values, as a method for QEMU and KVM to be in sync about the reset
> state of the machine.  If we do this, and include CNTVCT, then that
> would probably trigger this, but the VCPU really shouldn't have been run
> at that time...
> 
> We should prevent userspace from fiddling with this register post VCPU
> start regardless, but yes, it would be good to find out why this is
> happening in the first place.
> 
> How did you notice this and does it manifest itself in some user-visible
> ugliness?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Christoffer
> 


You can read the whole history here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osv-dev/2w101csH65E

It causes clock-related bugs with time jumping backward when relying on the virtual counter register in the guest, whenever a cpu is booted (primary, secondary via PSCI), and actually whenever the monitor is used to stop, info registers etc.

Once the VM is created, I think QEMU should not request kvm to change the virtual offset of the VM anymore: maybe an unexpected consequence of QEMU's target-arm/kvm64.c::kvm_arch_put_registers ?

Thanks,

Claudio

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-25  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-24 14:54 [RFC PATCH] KVM: arm/arm64: Don't let userspace update CNTVOFF once guest is running Marc Zyngier
2015-06-24 14:54 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-06-25  8:04 ` Christoffer Dall
2015-06-25  8:04   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-06-25  8:48   ` Marc Zyngier
2015-06-25  8:48     ` Marc Zyngier
2015-06-25  8:59   ` Claudio Fontana [this message]
2015-06-25  8:59     ` Claudio Fontana
2015-06-25  9:10     ` Peter Maydell
2015-06-25  9:10       ` Peter Maydell
2015-06-25  9:25       ` Claudio Fontana
2015-06-25  9:25         ` Claudio Fontana
2015-06-26  4:49         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-06-26  4:49           ` Jan Kiszka
2015-06-29 17:20           ` Claudio Fontana
2015-06-29 17:20             ` Claudio Fontana
2015-06-29 17:37             ` Peter Maydell
2015-06-29 17:37               ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-08 15:56               ` Marc Zyngier
2015-07-08 15:56                 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-07-08 16:06                 ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-08 16:06                   ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-08 16:37                   ` Marc Zyngier
2015-07-08 16:37                     ` Marc Zyngier
2015-07-08 19:13                     ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-08 19:13                       ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 10:22                       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 10:22                         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 10:38                         ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 10:38                           ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 12:05                           ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 12:05                             ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 12:07                             ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 12:07                               ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 12:24                               ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 12:24                                 ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 14:17                                 ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 14:17                                   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 14:26                                   ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 14:26                                     ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-09 16:06                                     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 16:06                                       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 10:40                         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-09 10:40                           ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-09 12:08                           ` Christoffer Dall
2015-07-09 12:08                             ` Christoffer Dall

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