From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1Z9qQb-0007i0-TQ for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:58:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53152) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9qQZ-0007hh-JP for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:58:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9qQW-0006G8-Dn for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:57:59 -0400 Received: from johnlane.plus.com ([212.159.104.145]:61032 helo=sodium.amajohn.co.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9qQW-0006FS-7e for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:57:56 -0400 Received: by sodium.amajohn.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BC7848; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:57:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.0.200.1] (hydrogen.amajohn.co.uk [10.0.200.1]) by sodium.amajohn.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F1EB47 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:57:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <55924C00.3030107@jelmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:57:52 +0100 From: John Lane User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: grub-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Help output inconsistency: -v vs. -V References: <20150629205053.002ee43d@opensuse.site> In-Reply-To: <20150629205053.002ee43d@opensuse.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Outbound-Checked: Yes X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 212.159.104.145 X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:58:00 -0000 My natural inclination is to reach for "-v" when I want verbose output from something and fall back to --verbose if that doesn't work. I usually go straight for --version when wanting that info. So, "-V for--version and -v for --verbose" works for me. On 29/06/15 18:50, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > We currently have situation that C converted tools use -V for > --version and -v for --verbose while shell based tools (quite a lot > left) use -v for --version and most do not have --verbose at all. > > -V is quite deep in argp, but of course it is possible to get rid of it= > by basically replicating argp code in grub (OK, we do not need check > for any hooks as we know there are none).=20 > > It's not really new, and had been this way for some time, just that in > the past C programs were considered "for internal use only" and now > they are user facing so it is incompatible change. > > Just gathering opinions what would be preferable.=20 > > _______________________________________________ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel >