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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: dedekind1@gmail.com, Andrea Scian <rnd4@dave-tech.it>
Cc: mtd_mailinglist <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: UBIFS: recovery of master node
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:43:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A8EA6A.8080405@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1437133082.2507.114.camel@gmail.com>

Am 17.07.2015 um 13:38 schrieb Artem Bityutskiy:
> On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 09:24 +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> Am 17.07.2015 um 08:58 schrieb Andrea Scian:
>>> Il 16/07/2015 17:29, Richard Weinberger ha scritto:
>>>> Andrea,
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Scian <rnd4@dave-tech.it> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I bypass that check too, I can mount UBIFS and everything 
>>>>> inside the FS
>>>>> is there but, of course, I'm sure I'm doing something that may 
>>>>> be wrong..
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> So, you're facing bitflips on empty space?
>>>
>>> Another UBI/UBIFS "implementation" question: are there some other 
>>> places, apart from get_master_node(), where UBIFS check empty space 
>>> corruption and fails badly if something wrong?
>>
>> Having non-corrupted empty space is a fundamental requirement of 
>> UBIFS.
> 
> I am not sure it is that fundamental. What UBIFS needs is to
> distinguish between used and usused flash areas. It does this by
> comparing agains 0xFFs. Simple, worked fine in the past.

Okay. This good to know. I thought it is much more fundamental. :-)

> If the space is empty, UBIFS assumes it can write to it. UBIFS is being
> paranoid and also verifies that entire empty space contains all 0xFFs.
> Also very simple, worked fine in the past.
> 
> Now if you have "corrupted empty space" (i.e., you cannot write to it),
> this does not have to be the end of the world, you can clean it up by
> doing the "atomic LEB change" operation. It is just not implemented,
> but it could be done - matter of engineer-hours spent.

Thanks for pointing this out, Artem!

Thanks,
//richard

      reply	other threads:[~2015-07-17 11:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-16 13:22 UBIFS: recovery of master node Andrea Scian
2015-07-16 15:29 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-16 15:50   ` Andrea Scian
2015-07-17  6:58   ` Andrea Scian
2015-07-17  7:24     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-17  8:04       ` Andrea Scian
2015-07-17  8:10         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-17  8:59           ` Richard Genoud
2015-07-17 11:38       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-07-17 11:43         ` Richard Weinberger [this message]

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