From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39881) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHquA-00033e-LJ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:05:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHqu6-0002ZG-IQ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:05:38 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:45635) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHqu6-0002Z7-4f for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:05:34 -0400 References: <55AE0821.5040701@redhat.com> <55AE4D60.3000908@redhat.com> <55AE52A3.1060108@redhat.com> <55AE570F.30602@redhat.com> <55AECEB3.4080308@redhat.com> <20150722090554.GB2905@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> From: Laszlo Ersek Message-ID: <55AF6AE7.6050908@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:05:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150722090554.GB2905@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Stefan Hajnoczi Cc: Peter Maydell , Stefan Hajnoczi , QEMU Developers , Gerd Hoffmann , Paolo Bonzini , Hannes Reinecke On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: >>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote: >>> or work >>> with others to add upstream maintainers. >> >> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when >> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less >> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to >> random people? >> >>> I see that Hannes Reinecke >>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo >>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe. >> >> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again: >> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last >> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample >> experience. > > I understand the frustration with upstream. Thanks for posting a > summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that. > > The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the > downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization > developers. It won't have a user community, support, or help improve > the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which > matter for a healthy long-term open source project. All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year now, without much indication that it could improve. > It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository. I'm > not against that. But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to > consider the problem. If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated. Personally I lost all hope. Thanks Laszlo