From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Should KVM_GUEST stop depending on PARAVIRT?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:49:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55B66F42.3000202@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUkhBYXYX7HPSzEyHhqkrMVLXf3Se8QScGBDK20L70GRQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 27/07/2015 17:56, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24/07/2015 19:33, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> PARAVIRT adds a fair amount of bloat and, AFAICT, KVM_GUEST doesn't
>>> really need any of it. Would it make sense to drop the dependency?
>>
>> I think the main reason for PARAVIRT is that pv kernels have by default
>>
>> .read_msr = native_read_msr_safe,
>> .write_msr = native_write_msr_safe,
>>
>> Unfortunately Intel adds a bunch of performance measurement features
>> saying that "they work with this cpuid family/model/stepping" and at the
>> same time attach them to some non-architectural MSRs that, in principle
>> could be reused for something else years down the road. This is not a
>> huge problem for Windows, where only tools such as vTune use these MSRs,
>> but it is a problem for Linux.
>>
>> The alternative is ignore_msrs, but that's a very big hammer too.
>
> I think I'm missing something. Does KVM_GUEST hook read_msr and
> write_msr? I don't see it.
PARAVIRT does, and it's the main reason why you'd want PARAVIRT for a
KVM guest.
Paolo
> Xen certainly needs those hooks, but I don't see why KVM would.
>
> --Andy
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-27 17:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-24 17:33 Should KVM_GUEST stop depending on PARAVIRT? Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 13:59 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-27 15:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 17:49 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-07-27 17:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 18:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-27 18:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-27 19:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-07-28 9:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-29 0:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29 4:49 ` Venkatesh Srinivas
2015-07-29 8:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-29 9:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-29 9:24 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-29 9:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-29 9:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-30 0:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
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