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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dax, pmem: add support for msync
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:18:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E597A1.9090205@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150901070608.GA5482@lst.de>

On 09/01/2015 10:06 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:38:03AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:59:44PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
>>> For DAX msync we just need to flush the given range using
>>> wb_cache_pmem(), which is now a public part of the PMEM API.
>>
>> This is wrong, because it still leaves fsync() broken on dax.
>>
>> Flushing dirty data to stable storage is the responsibility of the
>> writeback infrastructure, not the VMA/mm infrasrtucture. For non-dax
>> configurations, msync defers all that to vfs_fsync_range(), because
>> it has to be implemented there for fsync() to work.
>>
>> Even for DAX, msync has to call vfs_fsync_range() for the filesystem to commit
>> the backing store allocations to stable storage, so there's not
>> getting around the fact msync is the wrong place to be flushing
>> DAX mappings to persistent storage.
> 
> DAX does call ->fsync before and after this patch.  And with all
> the recent fixes we take care to ensure data is written though the
> cache for everything but mmap-access.  With this patch from Ross
> we ensure msync writes back the cache before calling ->fsync so that
> the filesystem can then do it's work like converting unwritten extents.
> 
> The only downside is that previously on Linux you could always use
> fsync as a replaement for msymc, which isn't true anymore for DAX.
> 

Hi Christoph

So the approach we took was a bit different to exactly solve these
problem, and to also not over flush too much. here is what we did.

* At vm_operations_struct we also override the .close vector (say call it dax_vm_close)

* At dax_vm_close() on writable files call ->fsync(,vma->vm_start, vma->vm_end,)
  (We have an inode flag if the file was actually dirtied, but even if not, that will
   not be that bad, so a file was opened for write, mmapped, but actually never
   modified. Not a lot of these, and the do nothing cl_flushing is very fast)

* At ->fsync() do the actual cl_flush for all cases but only iff
	if (mapping_mapped(inode->i_mapping) == 0)
		return 0;

  This is because data written not through mmap is already persistent and we
  do not need the cl_flushing

Apps expect all these to work:
1. open mmap m-write msync ... close
2. open mmap m-write fsync ... close
3. open mmap m-write unmap ... fsync close

4. open mmap m-write sync ...

The first 3 are supported with above, because what happens is that at [3]
the fsync actually happens on unmap and fsync is redundant in that case.

The only broken scenario is [3]. We do not have a list of "dax-dirty" inodes
per sb to iterate on and call inode-sync on. This cause problems mostly in
freeze because with actual [3] scenario the file will be eventually closed
and persistent, but after the call to sync returns.

Its on my TODO to fix [3] based on instructions from Dave.
The mmap call will put the inode on the list and the dax_vm_close will
remove it. One of the regular dirty list should be used as suggested by
Dave.

> But given that we need the virtual address to write back the cache
> I can't see how to do this differently given that clwb() needs the
> user virtual address to flush the cache.

On Intel or any systems that have physical-based caching this is not
a problem you just iterate on all get_block() of the range and flush
the Kernel's virt_addr of the block, this is easy.

With ARCHs with per VM caching you need to go through the i_mapping VMAs list
and flush like that. I guess there is a way to schedule yourself as a process VMA
somehow.
I'm not sure how to solve this split, perhaps two generic functions, that
are selected through the ARCH.

Just my $0.017
Boaz

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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dax, pmem: add support for msync
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:18:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E597A1.9090205@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150901070608.GA5482@lst.de>

On 09/01/2015 10:06 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:38:03AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:59:44PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
>>> For DAX msync we just need to flush the given range using
>>> wb_cache_pmem(), which is now a public part of the PMEM API.
>>
>> This is wrong, because it still leaves fsync() broken on dax.
>>
>> Flushing dirty data to stable storage is the responsibility of the
>> writeback infrastructure, not the VMA/mm infrasrtucture. For non-dax
>> configurations, msync defers all that to vfs_fsync_range(), because
>> it has to be implemented there for fsync() to work.
>>
>> Even for DAX, msync has to call vfs_fsync_range() for the filesystem to commit
>> the backing store allocations to stable storage, so there's not
>> getting around the fact msync is the wrong place to be flushing
>> DAX mappings to persistent storage.
> 
> DAX does call ->fsync before and after this patch.  And with all
> the recent fixes we take care to ensure data is written though the
> cache for everything but mmap-access.  With this patch from Ross
> we ensure msync writes back the cache before calling ->fsync so that
> the filesystem can then do it's work like converting unwritten extents.
> 
> The only downside is that previously on Linux you could always use
> fsync as a replaement for msymc, which isn't true anymore for DAX.
> 

Hi Christoph

So the approach we took was a bit different to exactly solve these
problem, and to also not over flush too much. here is what we did.

* At vm_operations_struct we also override the .close vector (say call it dax_vm_close)

* At dax_vm_close() on writable files call ->fsync(,vma->vm_start, vma->vm_end,)
  (We have an inode flag if the file was actually dirtied, but even if not, that will
   not be that bad, so a file was opened for write, mmapped, but actually never
   modified. Not a lot of these, and the do nothing cl_flushing is very fast)

* At ->fsync() do the actual cl_flush for all cases but only iff
	if (mapping_mapped(inode->i_mapping) == 0)
		return 0;

  This is because data written not through mmap is already persistent and we
  do not need the cl_flushing

Apps expect all these to work:
1. open mmap m-write msync ... close
2. open mmap m-write fsync ... close
3. open mmap m-write unmap ... fsync close

4. open mmap m-write sync ...

The first 3 are supported with above, because what happens is that at [3]
the fsync actually happens on unmap and fsync is redundant in that case.

The only broken scenario is [3]. We do not have a list of "dax-dirty" inodes
per sb to iterate on and call inode-sync on. This cause problems mostly in
freeze because with actual [3] scenario the file will be eventually closed
and persistent, but after the call to sync returns.

Its on my TODO to fix [3] based on instructions from Dave.
The mmap call will put the inode on the list and the dax_vm_close will
remove it. One of the regular dirty list should be used as suggested by
Dave.

> But given that we need the virtual address to write back the cache
> I can't see how to do this differently given that clwb() needs the
> user virtual address to flush the cache.

On Intel or any systems that have physical-based caching this is not
a problem you just iterate on all get_block() of the range and flush
the Kernel's virt_addr of the block, this is easy.

With ARCHs with per VM caching you need to go through the i_mapping VMAs list
and flush like that. I guess there is a way to schedule yourself as a process VMA
somehow.
I'm not sure how to solve this split, perhaps two generic functions, that
are selected through the ARCH.

Just my $0.017
Boaz


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-01 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-31 18:59 [PATCH] dax, pmem: add support for msync Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 18:59 ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 18:59 ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 19:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 19:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 19:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 19:26   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 19:26     ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-31 19:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 19:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-31 23:38 ` Dave Chinner
2015-08-31 23:38   ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-01  7:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-01  7:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-01 12:18     ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2015-09-01 12:18       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 19:04       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02 19:04         ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02 20:17         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02 20:17           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-03  6:32         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03  6:32           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03  6:32           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03 16:44           ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-03 16:44             ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-01 22:21     ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-01 22:21       ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02  3:19       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02  3:19         ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02  5:17         ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02  5:17           ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02 10:27           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 10:27             ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 14:23             ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 14:23               ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 14:23               ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 15:18               ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 15:18                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 15:39                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 15:39                   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 15:39                   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 16:00                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 16:00                     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 16:00                     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 16:19                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 16:19                       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-02 16:19                       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-03  6:41                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03  6:41                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 10:04         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 10:04           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-01 10:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-01 10:08     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-01 11:27     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-01 11:27       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-01 22:49     ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-01 22:49       ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-02  9:13       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02  9:13         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02  9:37         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:37           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:37           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:41           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:41             ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:41             ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02  9:47             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02  9:47               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-09-02 10:28               ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 10:28                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-03  0:57         ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-03  0:57           ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-01 13:12 ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-01 13:12   ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-09-02 17:47   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-09-02 17:47     ` Ross Zwisler

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