From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix, from userid 118) id 2FAA5E00C91; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on yocto-www.yoctoproject.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-HAM-Report: * -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low * trust * [74.55.86.74 listed in list.dnswl.org] * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] X-Greylist: delayed 1851 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at yocto-www; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:32:46 PDT Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DADE00B72 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (c-73-194-208-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [73.194.208.34]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3CC2078288; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:01:54 +0000 (UTC) To: Romain Perier , William Mills References: <55F82F8A.0@gmail.com> <55F830DF.5030804@gmail.com> <55F83B9D.3020002@ti.com> From: Bob Cochran Message-ID: <55F84EFE.7080002@mindchasers.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:01:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Cc: yocto@yoctoproject.org Subject: Re: I hate busybox! X-BeenThere: yocto@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of all things Yocto Project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:32:49 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 09/15/2015 12:38 PM, Romain Perier wrote: > Hi all, > > I disagree, > Unfortunately some embedded devices in the industry are not like most > of the tablets and smartphones in the market (no quad or octo cores > with few GB of ram... and few GB of flash...) ;) .For example, > these days, at work, we're designing a board with the SoC zynq-7000 > and a quad-spi NOR flash. The NOR only has 16MB... now remove ~2Mb for > u-boot... 4Mb for the bistream (fpga)... I only have 10MB for my > kernel and my rootfs. > > Embedded projects like uclibc, musl or busybox are very appreciated in > cases like this one :) > > I am not saying that it is a great thing to have busybox built and > enabled by default, but that is a great thing to be able to use it. > In fact, it strongly depends on your needs for the target... Agreed. I just tack on IMAGE_INSTALL_append = " tar findutils tree etc..." in my image recipe when I have the rootfs space, and I want the full tool. The build system seems to do a nice job of creating the links properly. > > Regards, > Romain > > 2015-09-15 17:39 GMT+02:00 William Mills : >> >> On 09/15/2015 10:53 AM, Trevor Woerner wrote: >>> On 09/15/15 10:47, Trevor Woerner wrote: >>>> The only place busybox (and >>>> toybox) are needed today are in the MMU-less-type systems, such as >>>> Cortex-Ms etc. >>> >>> Actually, the presence or lack of MMU is irrelevant, I meant to single >>> out those systems with limited on-SoC flash. >>> >> >> OE-core is capable of building a system that has no GPLv3. >> This capability is still important to some users and busybox is needed >> for that as I understand. >> >> (Other users want the capability to build a system w/o proprietary code. >> OE serves both needs.) >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> yocto mailing list >> yocto@yoctoproject.org >> https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto