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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Nikhilesh Reddy <reddyn@codeaurora.org>
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ubifs: Add new mount option to force fdatasync before rename
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:16:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <561FFB84.1090409@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561D5075.1090805@codeaurora.org>



Am 13.10.2015 um 20:41 schrieb Nikhilesh Reddy:
> On Tue 06 Oct 2015 01:09:22 AM PDT, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> Am 05.10.2015 um 20:05 schrieb Nikhilesh Reddy:
>>> On 10/02/2015 02:38 PM, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Am 28.09.2015 um 20:19 schrieb Nikhilesh Reddy:
>>>>> The rename operation in UBIFS is synchronous (or nearly synchronous)
>>>>> while the write operation is not. This can result in zero length files when
>>>>> renaming of files followed by an abrupt power down or a crash.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example:
>>>>> 1) Say a file a.txt exists with size 1KB.
>>>>> 2) Create a file b.tmp (open)
>>>>> 3) Update the data in b.tmp with new values (write and close)
>>>>> 4) rename b.tmp to a.txt
>>>>> 5) Abrupt power down or crash
>>>>>
>>>>> This above scenario can result in a.txt becoming a file of zero length and
>>>>> giving the impression of a.txt being truncated.
>>>>> This scenario can ofcourse be prevented by calling fsync or fdatasync
>>>>> before the rename operation.
>>>>
>>>> I gave this a try and hacked up something to emulate a powercut *exactly* after
>>>> rename() in UBIFS.
>>>>
>>>> fd = open("b.tmp", ...)
>>>> write(fd, "foo", ...)
>>>> close(fd)
>>>> rename("b.tmp", "a.txt")
>>>> ^---- powercut
>>>>
>>>> After remounting UBIFS both a.txt and b.tmp are present
>>>> but b.tmp is truncated. Not a.txt as you said.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please double check?
>>>> I want to make sure that we're talking about the same things.
>>>
>>> Since you mentioned a.txt and b.tmp are both present... i assume the file a.txt was present even before b.tmp was created?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> I will try and explain as to what i understand the situation to be.
>>>
>>> If both the files are present then the rename didnt actually get written to the device and was probably still in the internal ubifs write buffer.
>>
>> A rename operation does not trigger a commit, therefore a powercut directly after rename() would make the rename() void.
>> In this context "both files present" means a.txt and b.tmp exist and are both synched to disk?
>>
>>> I believe there is a small delay between the rename call and the inodes
>>> being updated on the the device from the internal ubifs write buffer.
>>>
>>> The scenario i described above seems to occur when the inode update is committed to the device... i.e here the b.tmp should not exist since the rename was successfully written but
>>> the file data writeback (that is in the page cache) has not yet been committed to the device.
>>> Since the writeback buffer is way smaller than the page cache the inode update occurs first or is likely to have.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully i did not mess up on my understanding or explanation.
>>
>> Can you please share a reproducer?
>> A simple sequence of syscall would also do it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> //richard
> 
> Sorry for the delay in my reply
> I got tied up...

No big deal.

> as for the reproducer... its exactly as i described in the commit message... though we performed the power reset after a bit of delay. it does take a few tries on our end to
> reproduce... so we have it on a loop until it is reproduced.
> 
> I Will definitely  send you more concrete steps once i have a bit of time.

Please do so.
As I said, if I do exactly what you wrote, as expected b.tmp will be truncated but the
already synced file a.txt stays.

Thanks,
//richard

      reply	other threads:[~2015-10-15 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-28 18:19 [PATCH] ubifs: Add new mount option to force fdatasync before rename Nikhilesh Reddy
2015-09-28 19:38 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-09-28 20:38   ` Nikhilesh Reddy
2015-09-28 20:49     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-09-29 17:04       ` Nikhilesh Reddy
2015-09-29 17:52         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-02 21:38 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-05 18:05   ` Nikhilesh Reddy
2015-10-06  8:09     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-13 18:41       ` Nikhilesh Reddy
2015-10-15 19:16         ` Richard Weinberger [this message]

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