From: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net>,
Chandan Rajendra <chandan@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo@cn.fujitsu.com>, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] btrfs: Introduce new mount option to disable tree log replay
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:15:51 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5666C9F7.2030509@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <566610FA.1080408@redhat.com>
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On 2015-12-07 18:06, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> On 12/7/15 2:54 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> 2) a section that describes "ro" in btrfs-mount(5) which describes that
>> normal "ro" alone may cause changes on the device and which then refers
>> to hard-ro and/or the list of options (currently nologreplay) which are
>> required right now to make it truly ro.
>>
>>
>> I think this is important as an end-user probably expects "ro" to be
>> truly ro,
>
> Yeah, I don't know that this is true. It hasn't been true for over a
> decade (2?), with the most widely-used filesystem in linux history, i.e.
> ext3. So if btrfs wants to go on this re-education crusade, more power
> to you, but I don't know that it's really a fight worth fighting. ;)
>
Actually, AFAICT, it's been at least 4.5 decades. Last I checked, this
dates back to the original UNIX filesystems, which still updated atimes
even when mounted RO.
Despite this, it really isn't a widely known or well documented behavior
outside of developers, forensic specialists, and people who have had to
deal with the implications it has on data recovery. There really isn't
any way that the user would know about it without being explicitly told,
and it's something that can have a serious impact on being able to
recover a broken filesystem. TBH, I really feel that _every_
filesystem's documentation should have something about how to make it
mount truly read-only, even if it's just a reference to how to mark the
block device read-only.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-08 12:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-07 6:06 [PATCH] btrfs: Introduce new mount option to disable tree log replay Qu Wenruo
2015-12-07 15:38 ` Chandan Rajendra
2015-12-07 23:51 ` Qu Wenruo
2015-12-07 16:27 ` Eric Sandeen
2015-12-07 16:52 ` Chandan Rajendra
2015-12-07 17:29 ` Eric Sandeen
2015-12-07 20:54 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-07 23:06 ` Eric Sandeen
2015-12-08 0:00 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-08 12:15 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn [this message]
2015-12-08 19:20 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-08 20:29 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-12-07 16:36 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-12-08 6:08 ` Qu Wenruo
2015-12-08 12:16 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
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