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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>
Cc: Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org, Jun Nakajima <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] hvmloader: add support to load extra ACPI tables from qemu
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:58:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569F4C2C.7040300@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <569F575902000078000C8EDC@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 20/01/2016 08:46, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 20.01.16 at 06:31, <haozhong.zhang@intel.com> wrote:
>> The primary reason of current solution is to reuse existing NVDIMM
>> driver in Linux kernel.
> Re-using code in the Dom0 kernel has benefits and drawbacks, and
> in any event needs to depend on proper layering to remain in place.
> A benefit is less code duplication between Xen and Linux; along the
> same lines a drawback is code duplication between various Dom0
> OS variants.
>
>> One responsibility of this driver is to discover NVDIMM devices and
>> their parameters (e.g. which portion of an NVDIMM device can be mapped
>> into the system address space and which address it is mapped to) by
>> parsing ACPI NFIT tables. Looking at the NFIT spec in Sec 5.2.25 of
>> ACPI Specification v6 and the actual code in Linux kernel
>> (drivers/acpi/nfit.*), it's not a trivial task.
> To answer one of Kevin's questions: The NFIT table doesn't appear
> to require the ACPI interpreter. They seem more like SRAT and SLIT.
> Also you failed to answer Kevin's question regarding E820 entries: I
> think NVDIMM (or at least parts thereof) get represented in E820 (or
> the EFI memory map), and if that's the case this would be a very
> strong hint towards management needing to be in the hypervisor.

Conceptually, an NVDIMM is just like a fast SSD which is linearly mapped
into memory.  I am still on the dom0 side of this fence.

The real question is whether it is possible to take an NVDIMM, split it
in half, give each half to two different guests (with appropriate NFIT
tables) and that be sufficient for the guests to just work.

Either way, it needs to be a toolstack policy decision as to how to
split the resource.

~Andrew

>
>> Secondly, the driver implements a convenient block device interface to
>> let software access areas where NVDIMM devices are mapped. The
>> existing vNVDIMM implementation in QEMU uses this interface.
>>
>> As Linux NVDIMM driver has already done above, why do we bother to
>> reimplement them in Xen?
> See above; a possibility is that we may need a split model (block
> layer parts on Dom0, "normal memory" parts in the hypervisor.
> Iirc the split is being determined by firmware, and hence set in
> stone by the time OS (or hypervisor) boot starts.
>
> Jan
>

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-20  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-29 11:31 [PATCH 0/4] add support for vNVDIMM Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/hvm: allow guest to use clflushopt and clwb Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 15:46   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-30  1:35     ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-30  2:16       ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-30 10:33         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/hvm: add support for pcommit instruction Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] tools/xl: add a new xl configuration 'nvdimm' Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-04 11:16   ` Wei Liu
2016-01-06 12:40   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-06 15:28     ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 4/4] hvmloader: add support to load extra ACPI tables from qemu Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-15 17:10   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-18  0:52     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-18  8:46       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-19 11:37         ` Wei Liu
2016-01-19 11:46           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20  5:14             ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-20  5:58               ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-01-20  5:31         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20  8:46           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20  8:58             ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-01-20 10:15               ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 10:36                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 13:16                   ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 14:29                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 14:42                       ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 14:45                       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 14:53                         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 15:13                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 15:29                             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 15:41                               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 15:54                                 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-21  3:35                                 ` Bob Liu
2016-01-20 15:05                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 18:14                           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 14:38                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 11:04             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 11:20               ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20 15:29                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 15:47                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 16:25                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 16:47                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 16:55                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 17:18                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 17:23                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 17:48                               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-21  3:12                             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 17:07                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20 17:17                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-21  8:18                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21  8:25                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-21  8:53                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21  9:10                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-21  9:29                               ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-21 10:26                                 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21 10:25                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21 14:01                                 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-21 14:52                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-22  2:43                                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 11:44                                     ` George Dunlap
2016-01-26 12:44                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-26 12:54                                         ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-26 14:44                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-26 15:37                                             ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-26 15:57                                               ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 16:34                                                 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-26 19:32                                                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-27  7:22                                                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-27 10:16                                                     ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-27 14:50                                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-27 10:55                                                   ` George Dunlap
2016-01-26 13:58                                         ` George Dunlap
2016-01-26 14:46                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-26 15:30                                         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 15:33                                           ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 15:57                                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-27  2:23                                             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 15:07               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-06 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/4] add support for vNVDIMM Ian Campbell
2016-01-06 15:47   ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20  3:28 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-20 12:43   ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 14:26     ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-01-20 14:35       ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 14:47         ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-01-20 14:54           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 15:59             ` Haozhong Zhang

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