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From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	jiri@resnulli.us, daniel@iogearbox.net
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com,
	davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH 3/4] net: sched: cls_u32 add bit to specify software only rules
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:31:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56CDB0B0.4080609@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160223190321.5970.58924.stgit@john-Precision-Tower-5810>

On 16-02-23 02:03 PM, John Fastabend wrote:
> In the initial implementation the only way to stop a rule from being
> inserted into the hardware table was via the device feature flag.
> However this doesn't work well when working on an end host system
> where packets are expect to hit both the hardware and software
> datapaths.
>
> For example we can imagine a rule that will match an IP address and
> increment a field. If we install this rule in both hardware and
> software we may increment the field twice. To date we have only
> added support for the drop action so we have been able to ignore
> these cases. But as we extend the action support we will hit this
> example plus more such cases. Arguably these are not even corner
> cases in many working systems these cases will be common.
>
> To avoid forcing the driver to always abort (i.e. the above example)
> this patch adds a flag to add a rule in software only. A careful
> user can use this flag to build software and hardware datapaths
> that work together. One example we have found particularly useful
> is to use hardware resources to set the skb->mark on the skb when
> the match may be expensive to run in software but a mark lookup
> in a hash table is cheap. The idea here is hardware can do in one
> lookup what the u32 classifier may need to traverse multiple lists
> and hash tables to compute. The flag is only passed down on inserts
> on deletion to avoid stale references in hardware we always try
> to remove a rule if it exists.
>
> Notice we do not add a hardware only case here. If you were to
> add a hardware only case then you are stuck with the problem
> of where to stick the software representation of that filter
> rule. If its stuck on the same filter list as the software only and
> software/hardware rules it then has to be walked over and ignored
> in the classify path. The overhead is not huge but is measurable.
> And with so much work being invested in speeding up rx/tx of
> pkt processing this is unacceptable IMO. The other option is to
> have a special hook just for hardware only resources. This is
> implemented in the next patch.
>

Dont have much time to look closely - will do later. Just wanted
to quip:
Would it make sense to have a user flag which says, "please store
this in s/ware - dont use it in s/ware just install it in h/ware."
This should be totally optional policy, but would help find the rules
faster from a control plane if i look for them in s/ware first.
There's some really freaking slow hardware interfaces out there...
(a record of 60 seconds to find something is not unheard of).

cheers,
jamal

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-24 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-23 19:02 [net-next PATCH 1/4] net: sched: consolidate offload decision in cls_u32 John Fastabend
2016-02-23 19:02 ` [net-next PATCH 2/4] net: cls_u32: move TC offload feature bit into cls_u32 offload logic John Fastabend
2016-02-24  6:12   ` Simon Horman
2016-02-24 13:21   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-02-23 19:03 ` [net-next PATCH 3/4] net: sched: cls_u32 add bit to specify software only rules John Fastabend
2016-02-23 22:29   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2016-02-23 23:30     ` John Fastabend
2016-02-24  6:11   ` Simon Horman
2016-02-24  7:24     ` John Fastabend
2016-02-24  8:04   ` Amir Vadai"
2016-02-24  8:40     ` Jiri Pirko
2016-02-24  8:55       ` John Fastabend
2016-02-24  9:29         ` Jiri Benc
2016-02-25  4:09           ` John Fastabend
2016-02-25 13:19             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-02-25 16:39               ` John Fastabend
2016-02-24 13:31   ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
2016-02-25  4:04     ` John Fastabend
2016-02-25 12:56       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-02-25 21:56         ` John Fastabend
2016-02-25 23:05           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-02-25 23:08             ` John Fastabend
2016-02-23 19:03 ` [net-next PATCH 4/4] net: sched: create hardware only classifier filter John Fastabend
2016-02-24  8:47   ` Jiri Pirko
2016-02-25 13:14     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-02-25 17:36       ` John Fastabend
2016-02-24  6:12 ` [net-next PATCH 1/4] net: sched: consolidate offload decision in cls_u32 Simon Horman
2016-02-24  8:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-02-24 13:20 ` Jamal Hadi Salim

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