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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: xen-devel <Xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 09:49:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56E7CC96.7080301@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWYmJdOeHqjR6-Uyqiyym35DOjFpsB1xhgTHO_JB==EMA@mail.gmail.com>



On 14/03/2016 18:02, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2016 9:53 AM, "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you clarify?  KVM uses the native version, and the native version
>>> only oopses with this series applied if panic_on_oops is set.
>>
>> Can we please remove that idiocy?
>>
>> There is no reason to panic whatsoever. Seriously. What's the upside of that
>> logic?
> 
> I imagine that people who set panic_on_oops want their systems to stop
> running user code if something happens that could corrupt the state or
> if there's any sign that user code is trying some non-deterministic
> exploit.  So I'm guessing that they'd want this type of "the kernel
> screwed up -- abort" to actually result in a panic.
> 
> As a concrete, although somewhat silly, example, suppose that a write
> to MSR_SYSENTER_STACK fails.  If that happened, then user code could
> subsequently try to take over the kernel by evil manipulation of TF
> and/or perf.
> 
> I'd be okay with removing this too, though, since arranging for MSR
> access to fail seems unlikely as an exploit vector.
> 
> Borislav: SUSE actually uses panic_on_oops, right?  What's their goal?

RHEL also does, and it's mostly to trap kernel page faults before they
do more damage such as filesystem corruption.  The debug kernel has
panic_on_oops=0, while the production kernel has panic_on_oops=1.

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-15  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-11 19:06 [PATCH v3 0/5] Improve non-"safe" MSR access failure handling Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] x86/paravirt: Add _safe to the read_msr and write_msr PV hooks Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] x86/msr: Carry on after a non-"safe" MSR access fails without !panic_on_oops Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-12 15:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 15:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 15:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 15:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 17:32     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-12 17:32     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read, write}_msr Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-14 14:02   ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read, write}_msr Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-14 14:02   ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-14 16:53     ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read, write}_msr Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-14 16:53       ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-14 16:58       ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read, write}_msr Linus Torvalds
2016-03-14 17:02         ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-15  8:49           ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read, write}_msr Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-15  8:49           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2016-03-14 17:02         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-15  8:56       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-15  8:56       ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-11 19:06 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] x86/paravirt: Make "unsafe" MSR accesses unsafe even if PARAVIRT=y Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] x86/msr: Set the return value to zero when native_rdmsr_safe fails Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:06 ` Andy Lutomirski

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