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From: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>
To: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: move cpufreq hook to update_cfs_rq_load_avg()
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:38:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56F98832.3030207@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56F97856.4040804@arm.com>

On 03/28/2016 11:30 AM, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 03/28/2016 06:34 PM, Steve Muckle wrote:
>> Hi Dietmar,
>>
>> On 03/28/2016 05:02 AM, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> these patches fall into the bucket of 'optimization of updating the
>>> value only if the root cfs_rq util has changed' as discussed in '[PATCH
>>> 5/8] sched/cpufreq: pass sched class into cpufreq_update_util' of Mike
>>> T's current series '[PATCH 0/8] schedutil enhancements', right?
>>
>> I would say just the second patch is an optimization. The first and
>> third patches cover additional paths in CFS where the hook should be
>> called but currently is not, which I think is a correctness issue.
> 
> Not disagreeing here but I don't know if this level of accuracy is
> really needed. I mean we currently miss updates in
> enqueue_task_fair()->enqueue_entity()->enqueue_entity_load_avg() and
> idle_balance()/rebalance_domains()->update_blocked_averages() but there
> are plenty of call sides of update_load_avg(se, ...) with
> '&rq_of(cfs_rq_of(se))->cfs == cfs_rq_of(se)'.
>
> The question for me is does schedutil work better with this new, more
> accurate signal? IMO, not receiving a bunch of consecutive
> cpufreq_update_util's w/ the same 'util' value is probably a good thing,
> unless we see the interaction with RT/DL class as mentioned by Sai. Here
> an agreement on the design for the 'capacity vote aggregation from
> CFS/RT/DL' would help to clarify.

Without covering all the paths where CFS utilization changes it's
possible to have to wait up to a tick to act on some changes, since the
tick is the only guaranteed regularly-occurring instance of the hook.
That's an unacceptable amount of latency IMO...

thanks,
Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-28 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-22  0:21 [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: move cpufreq hook to update_cfs_rq_load_avg() Steve Muckle
2016-03-22  0:21 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: do not call cpufreq hook unless util changed Steve Muckle
2016-03-24 23:47   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2016-03-24 23:47     ` Sai Gurrappadi
2016-03-25  1:01     ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-25 21:24       ` Sai Gurrappadi
2016-03-25 21:24         ` Sai Gurrappadi
2016-04-23 12:57   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Do " tip-bot for Steve Muckle
2016-03-28 12:02 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: move cpufreq hook to update_cfs_rq_load_avg() Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-28 12:02   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-28 16:34   ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-28 18:30     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-28 18:30       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-28 19:38       ` Steve Muckle [this message]
2016-03-30 19:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-31  1:42           ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-31  7:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-31 21:26               ` Steve Muckle
2016-04-01  9:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-11 19:28                   ` Steve Muckle
2016-04-11 21:20                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-12 14:29                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-12 19:38                         ` Steve Muckle
2016-04-13 14:45                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-13 17:53                             ` Steve Muckle
2016-04-13 19:39                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-13  0:08                         ` Steve Muckle
2016-04-13  4:48                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-13 16:05                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-13 16:07                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-13 18:06                                 ` Steve Muckle
2016-04-13 19:50                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-20  2:22                                     ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-31  9:27           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-31  9:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-31  9:50               ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-31 10:47                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-31 12:14                   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-31 12:34                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-31 12:50                       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-23 12:57 ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Move " tip-bot for Steve Muckle

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