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From: Eric Nelson <eric@nelint.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH V3 1/3] drivers: block: add block device cache
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 07:24:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56FFD605.5040900@nelint.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56FF295B.8010704@wwwdotorg.org>

Hi Stephen,

On 04/01/2016 07:07 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 04/01/2016 05:16 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>> On 04/01/2016 03:57 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>> On 03/31/2016 02:24 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>>>> On 03/30/2016 02:57 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>>> On 03/30/2016 11:34 AM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/30/2016 07:36 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03/28/2016 11:05 AM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We could allocate the data storage for the block cache at the top
>>>>> of RAM
>>>>> before relocation, like many other things are allocated, and hence not
>>>>> use malloc() for that.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. We seem to have gone from a discussion about data structures to
>>>> type of allocation.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in seeing how that works. Can you provide hints about
>>>> what's doing this now?
>>>
>>> Something like common/board_f.c:reserve_mmu() and many other functions
>>> there. relocaddr starts at approximately the top of RAM, continually
>>> gets adjusted down as many static allocations are reserved, and
>>> eventually becomes the address that U-Boot is relocated to. Simply
>>> adding another entry into init_sequence_f[] for the disk cache might
>>> work.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer. I'll review that when time permits.
>>
>> This would remove the opportunity to re-configure the cache though,
>> right?
> 
> Well, it would make it impossible to use less RAM. One could use more by
> having a mix of the initial static allocation plus some additional
> dynamic allocation, but that might get a bit painful to manage.
> 

This might not be too bad though. Even if we allocated 4x the current
defaults, we're only at ~64k.

> It might be interesting to use the MMU more and allow de-fragmentation
> of VA space. That is, assuming there's much more VA space than RAM, such
> as is true on current 64-bit architectures. Then I wouldn't dislike
> dynamic allocation so much:-)
> 

That's interesting, but probably more invasive than this patch set.

>> I'm not sure whether how important this feature is, and I think
>> only time and use will tell.
>>
>> I'd prefer to keep that ability at least for a cycle or two so that
>> I and others can test.
>>
>>>>>> While re-working the code, I also thought more about using an
>>>>>> array and
>>>>>> still don't see how the implementation doesn't get more complex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The key bit is that the list is implemented in MRU order so
>>>>>> invalidating the oldest is trivial.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the MRU logic would make it more complex. Is that particularly
>>>>> useful, i.e. is it an intrinsic part of the speedup?
>>>>
>>>> It's not a question of speed with small numbers of entries. The code
>>>> to handle eviction would just be more complex.
>>>
>>> My thought was that if the eviction algorithm wasn't important (i.e.
>>> most of the speedup comes from have some (any) kind of cache, but the
>>> eviction algorithm makes little difference to the gain from having the
>>> cache), we could just drop MRU completely. If that's not possible, then
>>> indeed a list would make implementing MRU easier.
>>>
>>
>> How would we decide which block to discard? I haven't traced enough
>> to know what algorithm(s) might be best, but I can say that there's
>> a preponderance of repeated accesses to the last-accessed block,
>> especially in ext4.
> 
> Perhaps just keep an index into the array, use that index any time
> something is written to the cache, and then increment it each time.
> Probably not anywhere near as optimal as MRU/LRU though.

I see that Tom just applied V3, so I'd be interested in seeing
patches on top of that.

Regards,


Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-02 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-21  1:45 [U-Boot] [RFC V2 PATCH 0/3] Add cache for block devices Eric Nelson
2016-03-21  1:45 ` [U-Boot] [RFC V2 PATCH 1/3] drivers: block: add block device cache Eric Nelson
2016-03-21 17:59   ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-23 17:22   ` Stephen Warren
2016-03-23 17:43     ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-21  1:45 ` [U-Boot] [RFC V2 PATCH 2/3] block: add Kconfig options for [CMD_]BLOCK_CACHE Eric Nelson
2016-03-23 17:24   ` Stephen Warren
2016-03-23 17:45     ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-21  1:45 ` [U-Boot] [RFC V2 PATCH 3/3] mmc: add support for block device cache Eric Nelson
2016-03-23 17:27   ` Stephen Warren
2016-03-23 17:46     ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-21  1:59 ` [U-Boot] [RFC V2 PATCH 0/3] Add cache for block devices Marek Vasut
2016-03-21 13:48   ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-21 16:49     ` Marek Vasut
2016-03-21 17:56       ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-21 18:54         ` Marek Vasut
2016-03-27 19:00 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH " Eric Nelson
2016-03-27 19:00   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/3] drivers: block: add block device cache Eric Nelson
2016-03-28 14:16     ` Tom Rini
2016-03-28 14:33       ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-28 16:24         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH V2 " Eric Nelson
2016-03-28 17:05           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH V3 " Eric Nelson
2016-03-30 14:36             ` Stephen Warren
2016-03-30 15:19               ` Tom Rini
2016-03-30 15:21                 ` Stephen Warren
2016-03-30 17:37                 ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-30 17:34               ` Eric Nelson
2016-03-30 21:57                 ` Stephen Warren
2016-03-31 20:24                   ` Eric Nelson
2016-04-01 22:57                     ` Stephen Warren
2016-04-01 23:16                       ` Eric Nelson
2016-04-01 23:41                         ` Tom Rini
2016-04-02 14:17                           ` Eric Nelson
2016-04-02  2:07                         ` Stephen Warren
2016-04-02 14:24                           ` Eric Nelson [this message]
2016-04-02  1:59             ` [U-Boot] [U-Boot, V3, " Tom Rini
2016-04-02 14:19               ` Eric Nelson
2016-04-02 14:37                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/3] minor blkcache updates Eric Nelson
2016-04-02 14:37                   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/3] cmd: blkcache: remove indentation from output of 'show' Eric Nelson
2016-04-12  2:28                     ` [U-Boot] [U-Boot, " Tom Rini
2016-04-02 14:37                   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/3] cmd: blkcache: simplify sub-command handling Eric Nelson
2016-04-04 17:39                     ` Stephen Warren
2016-04-12  2:28                     ` [U-Boot] [U-Boot, " Tom Rini
2016-04-02 14:37                   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 3/3] drivers: block: fix placement of parameters Eric Nelson
2016-04-12  2:29                     ` [U-Boot] [U-Boot, " Tom Rini
2016-03-27 19:00   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/3] mmc: use block layer in mmc command Eric Nelson
2016-03-28 14:16     ` Tom Rini
2016-04-02  1:58     ` [U-Boot] [U-Boot,2/3] " Tom Rini
2016-03-27 19:00   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 3/3] sata: use block layer for sata command Eric Nelson
2016-03-28 14:16     ` Tom Rini
2016-04-02  1:59     ` [U-Boot] [U-Boot,3/3] " Tom Rini

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